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ash t
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PostPosted: 06:27 - 07 Aug 2008    Post subject: Pavement Parking Reply with quote

So, I am getting back into biking, and will be riding to work now and again. I have never known the legalities, and cant really find anything definate on google.

Is parking your motorcycle on the pavement an offence?
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PostPosted: 06:31 - 07 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

*sometimes*
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PostPosted: 07:27 - 07 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was under the impression technically it is, but the chance of you getting done for it varies from place to place.
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PostPosted: 07:34 - 07 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends where you live & work. In Westminster it is a big no no, unless you are parking on private propoerty 'abutting' a publc right of way. In most London boroughs you will get a ticket for doing this....there was a guy on here about a year ago who'd parked his bike in Manchester and a small part of it 'abutted' onto the pavement and he got done!

I guess the general rule of thumb is don't!
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PostPosted: 07:43 - 07 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

It`s an offence and gets you a fine if spotted.
I stuck mine up on the pavement in a side street (coz it was the only place i could find with a post to chain the bike to) and i got a ticket.I tried to dispute it but didn`t get anywhere.
It wasn`t even obstructing anyone coz it was a dead end road and not a walkway or loading bay but that made no difference.
Not worth the risk mate...don`t do it.
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PostPosted: 08:39 - 07 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do it all the time, always used to do it in Stoke when I lived there and never got a ticket, just make sure it isn't causing an obstruction. Parking them inline with those green boxes you get everywhere is a good idea.

I parked on the pavement in Manchester last weekend, we sat watching a parking warden walk past and they never even glanced at it.
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PostPosted: 08:44 - 07 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kind of depends on the area, Plymouth seems pretty relaxed about it as long as your sensible and don't take the piss with it Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:01 - 07 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

If its a single bike in a sensible place - tight by the wall or something, you can often get away with it.

In some locations one bike parked tends to attract more who think it must be OK and tickets become increasingly likely!

There are instances where part of the pavement actually belongs to the building and you should be OK unless the owner objects.

In practice it depends on the enthusiasm of any parking police.
If you're unlucky an anti-bike type will report you.
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PostPosted: 09:04 - 07 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seb wrote:
Kind of depends on the area, Plymouth seems pretty relaxed about it as long as your sensible and don't take the piss with it Thumbs Up


Same in Sunderland. They don't really care, just so long as you ain't blocking the pavement and causing any hassle.
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PostPosted: 09:41 - 07 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine is chained to the fence outside work as we speak, but it *may* technically be private property as the cellar extends under the pavement. I've never got done for parking there, anyway.
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PostPosted: 11:57 - 07 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

any yellow lines on the road denoting parking restrictions apply up to the building line so if its next to a house shop factory whatever you can be fined for parking on a double yellow line or whatever. If there is no ramp onto the pavement you cannot legally bump up onto the pavement and can be done for that as well. But as has been said it depends on the council of police in your area
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PostPosted: 12:03 - 07 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

if i remember rightly from bike lessons,

parking attendants can't book you for parking on the pavement as its a police matter cause its on the pavement.

i park on the pavement, usually next to bicycle parking.
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PostPosted: 12:11 - 07 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I read somewhere that as long as you're not blocking people's way, it's not illegal anywhere outside London. In Bristol I've never got a ticket and people seem to do it a fair bit.
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PostPosted: 12:51 - 07 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seb wrote:
Kind of depends on the area, Plymouth seems pretty relaxed about it as long as your sensible and don't take the piss with it Thumbs Up


Yeah south west in general I see this quite abit. Bloke in my town parks on the pavement and has for years tucked up tight to his garden wall with cover on it. TBH walking past you wouldn't even notice it. Cleverly the house next door to him protrudes out then his row (different stlye houses)are set back abit. If you get what I mean. So it makes it even more inconspicuous.
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 07 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

from the highway code

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You MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London, and should not do so elsewhere unless signs permit it. Parking on the pavement can obstruct and seriously inconvenience pedestrians, people in wheelchairs or with visual impairments and people with prams or pushchairs.

As far as I recall if there are any restrictions that apply to the roadway these also apply to the pavement, so no parking on pavements with double yellows. Then I believe the test is obstruction.
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PostPosted: 19:46 - 07 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rawker wrote:
if i remember rightly from bike lessons,

parking attendants can't book you for parking on the pavement as its a police matter cause its on the pavement.

i park on the pavement, usually next to bicycle parking.


Incorrect.
It was parking attendants that did me.They stuck a ticket on the seat and literally ran off when they saw me coming back Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 20:00 - 07 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you park on a pavement in London you are asking for a ticket. Many buildings have frontage that forms part of the pavement though and they can't ticket you for that because it's privaste property. Mostly if there are smoke vents (glass blocks in the path) this will be the case but not always. Often you'll see brass studs in the path to define the boundary.
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 07 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

If pavement parking you run the risk of a pedestrian bumping into your bike or falling over it.

Because the owner of the bike could then be at fault and the pedestrian could claim for damages on the insurance.


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PostPosted: 02:16 - 08 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geri wrote:
If you park on a pavement in London you are asking for a ticket. Many buildings have frontage that forms part of the pavement though and they can't ticket you for that because it's privaste property. Mostly if there are smoke vents (glass blocks in the path) this will be the case but not always. Often you'll see brass studs in the path to define the boundary.


I wouldn't fancy doing it anyway. The amount of people who bump into you when you're walking along the street, what if they bump into the bike Shocked
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 08 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geri wrote:


If you park on a pavement in London you are asking for a ticket. Many buildings have frontage that forms part of the pavement though and they can't ticket you for that because it's privaste property. Mostly if there are smoke vents (glass blocks in the path) this will be the case but not always. Often you'll see brass studs in the path to define the boundary.



No longer quite correct.

Even if you are on private property if that property is perceived as a right of way or pedestrians regularly trespass on the property without you attempting to remove or discourage them you can be done for obstruction in much the same way that leaving a business bin on the pavement is now illegal as it obstructs pedestrians.

This is why companies now often have security guards outside buildings moving people on so as to retain their private property.

You also now see small bollards with chains strung between them, often only two foot high as then the building owner can claim they are restricting foot traffic so retaining there rights over their own land.

Thank PATAs for that absurd ruling.
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PostPosted: 12:57 - 08 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

When ever I do it I go as tight to a bulding as possible, Making sure to not obstruct any of there signs or windows or doors, I dont see how there would be a problem.
Parking on the curb side however could obstruct people corssing the street (how this is different to a car parking half and half I dont know...)
Never been given a fine or had the police question me with it, even though police have seen me when ive gone and parked there. just show some respect and some common scence when you do it and you sould be fine.
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PostPosted: 09:47 - 11 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

i can garuntee you that you definitely can not park legally on pavements.
ive been done for it in manchester city centre, tried to appeal on the grounds i was parked under a companies verands sticking out over the pavent and had permission of the company to park there. The appeal was rejected and had to pay Sad
Sucks completely. I think its mostly down to the parking warden though, if theyre feeling in a shitty mood then youll get done, most will let you off if you parked sensibly and not in the middle of the pavement. I must have got a knob then ......

heres the old thread inacase anyone wants a look.

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=122078&highlight=
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