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PostPosted: 09:38 - 13 Aug 2008    Post subject: Biggest change ever seen on the internet! Reply with quote

A net-neutrality activist group has uncovered plans for the demise of the free Internet by 2010 in Canada. By 2012, the group says, the trend will be global.

Bell Canada and TELUS, Canada’s two largest Internet service providers (ISPs), will begin charging per-site fees on most Internet sites, reports anonymous sources within TELUS.

“It's beyond censorship, it is killing the biggest ecosystem of free expression and freedom of speech that has ever existed,” I Power spokesperson Reese Leysen said. I Power was the first group to report on the possible changes.

Bell Canada has not returned calls or emails.

The plans made by the large telecom businesses would change the Internet into a cable-like system, where customers sign up for specific web sites, and must pay to see each individual site beyond a certain point. Subscription browsing would be limited, extra fees would be applied to access out-of-network sites. Many sites would be blocked altogether.

“We had inside sources from bigger companies who gave us the information on how exclusivity deals are being made at this moment between ISPs and big content providers (like TV production studios and major video game publishers) to decide which web sites will be in the ‘standard package’ offered to their customers, leaving all the rest of the Internet unreachable unless you pay extra subscription fees per every ‘non-standard’ site you visit,” Leysen said. “We knew the source to be 100% reliable, but we also knew the story would be highly controversial if we released the information. We did it because we knew that we’d get more official confirmations once we’d come forward with it. And indeed that is what happened. Dylan Pattyn, who is writing the soon-to-be published article for Time Magazine, received confirmation from sources within Bell Canada and TELUS after we released the information.”

The plans would in effect be economic censorship, with only the top 100 to 200 sites making the cut in the initial subscription package. Such plans would likely favor major news outlets and suppress smaller news outlets, as the major news outlets would be free (with subscription), and alternative news outlets, like AFP, would incur a fee for every visit.

“The Internet will become a playground for billion-dollar content providers just like television is,” said Leysen. “It won’t be possible for a few teenagers in their parents’ basement to start a small site like E-bay that then grows out to be the next big thing anymore. Right now the Internet belongs to those with the greatest ideas. In the future, it’ll belong to those with the biggest budgets.”

With plans in Canada uncovered, I Power thinks that companies in the United States and other nations are also planning similar actions.

“By 2012 ISPs all over the globe will reduce Internet access to a TV-like subscription model, only offering access to a small standard amount of commercial sites and require extra fees for every other site you visit. These ‘other’ sites would then lose all their exposure and eventually shut down, resulting in what could be seen as the end of the Internet,” Leysen said.

Such a subscription plan could possibly restrict free speech far beyond even the current restrictions set by the governments of communist China. Not only would browsing be limited, but privacy would be invaded, as every web site viewed would likely be recorded on a bill in a manner similar to a phone bill.

Why would the ISPs institute such a plan? One word: money.

“This new subscription model is commercially far more beneficial to them than how it is now,” Leysen said. “If Fox wants to launch a new television show online, they’ll have to pay big money to all major ISPs to ensure that their new show will be offered and pushed in the ‘standard package’ of sites/services/channels that people will get through their Internet access. Plus ISPs will also gain extra revenue out of people trying to access the rest of the Internet, as they’ll pay extra subscription fees for every web site they visit.”

But it’s not just the big ISPs that stand to gain.

“Marketing and big budget ‘content-pushing’ just doesn’t seem to work on the Internet, and this is something that several industries want fixed. ISPs know this and will benefit greatly by fixing this for the marketing and entertainment industry,” Leysen said.

The ISPs are said to be confident they can institute such plans through deceptive marketing and fear tactics.

“The Internet will be more and more marketed as a place full of child pornography and other horrible illegal activity in order to get people on their [the ISP’s] side once they start restricting it and make it ‘safer,’” Leysen said. “Unless we really make a stand for this and make sure that mainstream media thoroughly covers the issue, the whole thing will be eased in with proper marketing to make sure that most mainstream customers won’t make a big deal out of it. They will only realize what was lost long after it’s gone.

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PostPosted: 10:06 - 13 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely it only takes on ISP to say "Yeah, well, fuck that, we're keeping it free-for-all", everybody signs up to the free one, and so that one ISP monopolizes the free-for-all ISP market, they make loads of money so they're happy, customer still gets to access whatever the hell they want so customer is happy, everyone sings kum by yaa.

Probably way too simplified there, but you get the jist of what im saying.

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PostPosted: 10:15 - 13 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

It'll only take one ISP in each country to buck the trend and the internet will remain open. How much that one ISP will be able to charge however...

This is clearly a case that justifies direct militant action though. Any CEO of any company that trys to push this nazi atrocity ahead needs to be executed. The internet is the last refuge of truth and exposure. If it goes down we are truly fucked. I don't think the significance of this threat can possibly be over-stated.
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PostPosted: 10:23 - 13 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

yea man i get you..its going to be a new system though..you can download a film within ten seconds etc..thats how there going to get the public to accept it..the public meetings held on the issue to date..the company's involved have paid people from the street to fill up the seats..keeping people who care about the issue out!

just another case of huge corporations removing huge value from the world to fill there pockets. yes..lets make another ten billion..my 400 billion status is starting to make me look rather silly down the local Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 10:29 - 13 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

IS happening Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:56 - 13 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Won't happen.


I believe something similar was said about the concentration camps.

"They're doing what? Herding tens of thousands of people into gas-chambers, then burning the bodies? HAHAHA!!! No, really, I think I've heard it all now!"

The internet, small potatoes by comparison. But hugely important none the less.
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PostPosted: 11:03 - 13 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So Internet companies, like Google, are going to loose billions?


You have to get out of the habit of thinking that something like this can only work if it's an overnight phenomena. These vermin are quite happy to set in motion something that will take a good few years to come to full fruition.
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PostPosted: 11:03 - 13 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 11:15 - 13 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
It'll only take one ISP in each country to buck the trend and the internet will remain open.


Perhaps if enough money could be made from this, then they would influence their friends in government to make it illegal for ISP's to provide an open internet service?
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PostPosted: 11:30 - 13 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It'll only take one ISP in each country to buck the trend and the internet will remain open.


Perhaps if enough money could be made from this, then they would influence their friends in government to make it illegal for ISP's to provide an open internet service?


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PostPosted: 12:13 - 13 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll be looking towards our good friends the hackers and pirates out there to backdoor the system into thinking that I've got access rights to any site I choose as and when this horseshit comes into play.

You'd like to think that people wouldnt stand for this, and would backlash against any attempt to enforce it. In reality most people will be like "well they can fucking try", "it'll never happen" "well i wont use the net anymore then", yet when said rules become implemented, most people will just be like "Grrr, damn you, oh well, so how does this work then, and where do I pay??", which is a pretty sad state of affairs when you think about it.

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PostPosted: 12:21 - 13 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

You will have to thumb scan to gain access to the internet from any location which will log you on to your personal user"s page..much like a my space page.. the real art of it is of course if you down load music illegally or step a foot out of line you will be banned from the internet..they will eventually make people want it through clever manipulation..the only sources of news information we will have will be the corporate tv news stations and the corporate tv news websites.the "internet police" will wipe out the rest

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I'll be looking towards our good friends the hackers and pirates out there to backdoor the system into thinking that I've got access rights to any site I choose as and when this horseshit comes into play.

You'd like to think that people wouldnt stand for this, and would backlash against any attempt to enforce it. In reality most people will be like "well they can fucking try", "it'll never happen" "well i wont use the net anymore then", yet when said rules become implemented, most people will just be like "Grrr, damn you, oh well, so how does this work then, and where do I pay??", which is a pretty sad state of affairs when you think about it.

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PostPosted: 12:57 - 13 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I see what your saying, amazing how we're pretty much powerless to do anything about it as well (unless you take the Hetz approach of course Wink ), since like it was said, if the government outlaws other ISP's we;d have no choice if we wanted to maintain use of t'interweb.

Surely though there would be rogue/clandestine ISP setups which would allow anyone to do what the hell they wanted, though thing is this would only inevitably lead to further imprisonment for "Cybercrimes", imagine it:

"What you in for mate?"

"I was looking at the new scientist/bikechatforums/donkey scat porn through an illegal ISP, got 5 years....."

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PostPosted: 13:14 - 13 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

It'll never happen, a couple of ISP might try it but then all their customers will go elsewhere putting those couple of ISP's out of business quite fast.

It'll also never happen because it's an incredibly stupid idea that would be taking us back to somewhere in the 80's in terms of what could be done with computers.

“The Internet will become a playground for billion-dollar content providers just like television is" It already is, everyone pays their ISP a monthly fee, all website are paying to be hosted, then there's all the other companies involved as well.

If any country does actually try it, then it'd be a big kick in the balls to their economy and to the residents of that country.

"Why would the ISPs institute such a plan? One word: money" Only it wouldn't be like that, Joe Public doesn't care that much about being able to access the 'net, ISPs would be going bust. And then the BBC might start being less shit, people would get their new/weather/entertainment/films/etc from the TV rather than from the internet. It would be the ISP's that loose, which in turn would be bad for the country but it'd still be the ISPs fault for being greedy mofo's.



Should we blame the government? Or blame society? Or should
we blame the images on TV?

No,blame Canada, blame Canada
With all thier beedy little eyes have packed their heads so full of lies!
Blame Canada!! Blame Canada!!
We need to form a full assault, its Canada fault!!!
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PostPosted: 14:48 - 13 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

With all the freedom and information the internet provides us with a crack down is inevitable. If you read any news you will see hints at how the internet is evil and there needs to be a crackdown. In a recent article I read there was mention of people calling for a 9pm watershed on the net like there is on the tv and how on youtube it is too easy to find rape and violence videos. Rolling Eyes

There are some science sites that provide information on the synthesis of explosives and drugs and they're a massive target. I'm not talking about the anarachists crapbook and the kidiots that read them but real information that is out there. People hate knowledge, they're threatened by what they don't understand and they're willing to censor the internet because they fear what you might do with it.

They've already banned extreme porn which will come into effect within 6 months and with the way it's worded I don't think Ste will last to long before he's gone.

It's no surprise that they are thinking up ways to finally destroy the way we know the internet works and have better control of what we can do on it.


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PostPosted: 14:53 - 13 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where is Bazza's OUTRAGE BUS? I think mad-man missed his stop.
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PostPosted: 14:58 - 13 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's it, bury your head in the sand and ignore the threat.
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 13 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

SoND wrote:
That's it, bury your head in the sand and ignore the threat.

LMAO. Believe me, I have researched the Net Neutrality issue immensely and I know that Virgin Media is one ISP seriously considering it, however myself personally I see it as a small threat. Like Ste says once people get wind of this issue and find out the ISP's doing this business they will vote with their feet.

I cancelled my Virgin Media contract and ensured many of my friends did the same, so no i'm not burying my head in the sand, I am just amused as to how hysterical mad-man appears to be today. Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:29 - 13 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

[/quote]I cancelled my Virgin Media contract and ensured many of my friends did the same, so no i'm not burying my head in the sand, I am just amused as to how hysterical mad-man appears to be today. Laughing[/quote]

why cos i copied and pasted two articles creating two hole posts on serious issues in just one day!!!!! Wink

(I canceled my Virgin Media contract) that will show them you go big boy you go!
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PostPosted: 15:35 - 13 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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(I canceled my Virgin Media contract) that will show them you go big boy you go!

Oh i'm sorry, because ranting on an internet forum is far more effective.

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PostPosted: 15:42 - 13 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon B wrote:
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(I canceled my Virgin Media contract) that will show them you go big boy you go!

Oh i'm sorry, because ranting on an internet forum is far more effective.

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theres no need to be sorry,spreading the word and making people aware of this issue is highly effective....as for your insult..have a nice day sweety pie Very Happy
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PostPosted: 16:06 - 13 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon B wrote:


I cancelled my Virgin Media contract and ensured many of my friends did the same, so no i'm not burying my head in the sand, I am just amused as to how hysterical mad-man appears to be today. Laughing


How the FUCK can you describe anything he has said or done in this thread as "hysterical"? What are you, so deeply penetrated by the govt/corporate shaft that you feel compelled to immediately diss anyone who tries to render the service of warning?

There will, one day, be many children spitting on the graves of their parents for allowing their freedom to be annihilated.
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 13 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

As said above, can't see how it'll work in practice.
If I have to choose web sites then that'd be google then - from which I can jump anywhere surely.
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 13 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon B wrote:
Where is Bazza's OUTRAGE BUS? I think mad-man missed his stop.


Oh, this guy takes the other bus. The special one, y'know?
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 13 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

bazza wrote:
Jon B wrote:
Where is Bazza's OUTRAGE BUS? I think mad-man missed his stop.


Oh, this guy takes the other bus. The special one, y'know?


Yeah, it's Reality-101, direct to awareness-ville.
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