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PostPosted: 00:04 - 17 Aug 2008    Post subject: no conspiracy..what do you think of this? net tax Reply with quote

British legislators are floating a package of proposals to deal with the problem of illegal downloads, including one that would levy an annual charge of up to £30 ($59) for Internet users to cover illegal downloading, according to The Independent. The recording industry estimates a loss of £1 billion over the next five years in the UK because of illegal downloads. In the U.S., similar ideas have been proposed as well.

the annual charge proposal would cover any illegal downloads, but the music industry would have to seriously underestimate what consumers spend on downloads to justify the annual fee. Why would those who regularly pay for music downloads continue to pay if they were going to be taxed whether they have illegal downloads or not

https://www.thestandard.com/news/2008/07/24/uk-proposing-music-tax-cover-illegal-downloads-or-worse

i would pay it..if the net stays the same Smile
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PostPosted: 00:20 - 17 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the greedy scum charged a fair price it wouldn't be nearly as much of problem. I pay for my MP3 downloads, 9p a shot from some russian site. 79p from i-Tunes? Kiss my fvcking arse. Middle Finger
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PostPosted: 02:18 - 17 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

It'll never happen, completely unjustifiable, we won't stand for it. Rolling Eyes

The filthy rich trying to fuck over the common man? Unheard of! Put your tinfoil hats back on and piss off.



Just getting the ball rolling.... If anyone wants to firebomb lots of major media stores I wouldn't mind, might cost them some real money. Thinking
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PostPosted: 07:11 - 17 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
If the greedy scum charged a fair price it wouldn't be nearly as much of problem. I pay for my MP3 downloads, 9p a shot from some russian site. 79p from i-Tunes? Kiss my fvcking arse. Middle Finger

You're getting ripped off, I pay 7p.
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PostPosted: 09:26 - 17 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon B wrote:
Hetzer wrote:
If the greedy scum charged a fair price it wouldn't be nearly as much of problem. I pay for my MP3 downloads, 9p a shot from some russian site. 79p from i-Tunes? Kiss my fvcking arse. Middle Finger

You're getting ripped off, I pay 7p.


It would appear the russian mafia have a better grasp of the concept of competition than our own price-fixing dirtbags then.
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PostPosted: 10:50 - 17 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

This will never happen. If you are being charged a levy to cover illegal downloads then what the hell incentive have you got to keep legal? All that will happen is people will see it as a licence to download via P2P or whatever and every bugger will end up 'stealing music'.

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PostPosted: 10:54 - 17 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

To start charging for illegal downloads would simply legalise it.
Never gonna happen
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 17 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Pretty much the same thing has happened in the past in some countries with a levy on cassette tapes to cover copying.

All the best

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PostPosted: 16:26 - 17 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Pretty much the same thing has happened in the past in some countries with a levy on cassette tapes to cover copying.

All the best

Keith


Cassette what? Do people still use those things? Confused
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 17 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

No no no , you are thinking of the wrong thing , Ivan Lewis local low life MP has suggested we bring back super tax that is the 98% tax people used to pay on income...

What he really means is that we want to increase income tax , therefore the tax limit proposed is 250K , but it'll get lowered to about 50K (55%) you can bet on that (taxes go up 11% next year btw its very hard to spot). As a 98% tax on wealthy means they would leave or avoid it...
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 17 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those really cheap russian download sites are no more legal than just downloading for free from torrents or where ever else. Laughing

I'd have no problem with paying a reasonable amount like £30 each year to make illegal downloading no longer be illegal. 10,000+ MP3's here, I think I'd get value for money if it all became legal for £30 per year. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 17:25 - 17 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didge wrote:
Cassette what? Do people still use those things? Confused


If they do or not then it is still the same idea with putting a levy on internet use to pay for copying.

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PostPosted: 18:19 - 17 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I buy CDs.
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PostPosted: 18:38 - 17 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Those really cheap russian download sites are no more legal than just downloading for free from torrents or where ever else. Laughing

I'd have no problem with paying a reasonable amount like £30 each year to make illegal downloading no longer be illegal. 10,000+ MP3's here, I think I'd get value for money if it all became legal for £30 per year. Very Happy


yes but it might start @ £30 per year , but inevitably it will increase very very quickly.
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 17 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skudd wrote:
I buy CDs.


Well done, have some karma.
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PostPosted: 19:50 - 17 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skudd wrote:
I buy CDs.


I steal CD's.
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PostPosted: 07:49 - 18 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

In theory Im all for this, well I would be if it was done right.

There was some research done in Canada, and they worked out that if every adult paid $2 a week extra in tax that was distributed to the record and movie companies that all online media could be free.

When you look at it that way id happily pay a couple of quid a week to me able to legally download any song or movie.
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 18 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

powelly wrote:
In theory Im all for this, well I would be if it was done right.

There was some research done in Canada, and they worked out that if every adult paid $2 a week extra in tax that was distributed to the record and movie companies that all online media could be free.

When you look at it that way id happily pay a couple of quid a week to me able to legally download any song or movie.



But what about the many who don't use the net to download music or movies.....
Why should we pay a company that already makes more than the average 3rd world country, for something that they only estimate..... As a loss as they have no idea what the true figure is, and we have no idea on how they calculate this estimate...
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 21 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
I'd have no problem with paying a reasonable amount like £30 each year to make illegal downloading no longer be illegal. 10,000+ MP3's here, I think I'd get value for money if it all became legal for £30 per year. Very Happy


It wouldn't make it legal though by the sound of things. IMO it would be the same as shops putting their prices up a bit to compensate for shoplifting.

The problem is though that the people who download music illegally will see this as a sign that it's now acceptable to keep doing so
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powelly wrote:
There was some research done in Canada, and they worked out that if every adult paid $2 a week extra in tax that was distributed to the record and movie companies that all online media could be free.


How would they calculate how to distribute the tax though? Surely the makers of some major blockbuster would expect more than those making some low budget film. The main incentive for these companies is to make money through sales, so it would be a bit difficult if everything was free and they just got a share of some government tax pot.

Also, the internet is international, so I'd have to wonder why Canadians would be taxed to cover things which could be downloaded by people all over the world.

Finally, I certainly wouldn't want to pay an extra $100/£100 a year as I don't particularly watch many films and tend to listen to the radio more than buying/downloading music anyway.

(sorry I'm just in a really ranty mood today)
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PostPosted: 19:46 - 21 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

aaronb74 wrote:
powelly wrote:
There was some research done in Canada, and they worked out that if every adult paid $2 a week extra in tax that was distributed to the record and movie companies that all online media could be free.


How would they calculate how to distribute the tax though? Surely the makers of some major blockbuster would expect more than those making some low budget film. The main incentive for these companies is to make money through sales, so it would be a bit difficult if everything was free and they just got a share of some government tax pot.

Also, the internet is international, so I'd have to wonder why Canadians would be taxed to cover things which could be downloaded by people all over the world.


I know where your coming from, and I'd love to be able to find the story, but the basis of it was that if you take what the RIAA/MPAA claimed that the artists/studio's lost in a country and divided it by the population of that country you were left with about $2 per head.

aaronb74 wrote:


Finally, I certainly wouldn't want to pay an extra $100/£100 a year as I don't particularly watch many films and tend to listen to the radio more than buying/downloading music anyway.

(sorry I'm just in a really ranty mood today)


The point is if we moved away from a model where we buy the right to watch of listen to something and instead contribute to the global right for all to watch of listen to whatever they want whenever they want it massively change the way we use entertainment media.

I love Virgin on demand, I dont think since I got it ive watched a scheduled program, i spend more time time shifting and dipping in to the archives of old programs, now imagine if for the equivalent of a pound a week you could have the same service, but with every song and every tv program ever made!

Seems like a bargain to me
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aaronb74 wrote:
IMO it would be the same as shops putting their prices up a bit to compensate for shoplifting.


Wouldn't a better comparison be a library, we all contribute to the purchase of the books, and then any of us can use them for free whenever we choose.
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 22 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't mind that.

£30 a year to download whatever I like, without fear of prosecution?

Excellent.
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 22 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

aaronb74 wrote:
It wouldn't make it legal though by the sound of things. IMO it would be the same as shops putting their prices up a bit to compensate for shoplifting.


But shops already have to build in the loss factor into the prices. So you are already paying for these folks who feel its OK to steal.
One reason why, when you see this happening you should inform the staff/security...

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PostPosted: 11:36 - 22 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But shops already have to build in the loss factor into the prices. So you are already paying for these folks who feel its OK to steal.
One reason why, when you see this happening you should inform the staff/security...

At the end of the day we are paying for their freebies... Twisted Evil


But your comparison does not work, when something is stolen from a shop, an item is physically removed that the shop had paid for.

If I were to download a movie that I had no intention of watching at the cinema, what has the producer actually lost?

You'll be comparing piracy to killing a policeman next!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAr7zKxjCDY



Im not saying that that piracy is justified but it can not be compared to stealing from a shop,
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 22 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

powelly wrote:
iooi wrote:


But shops already have to build in the loss factor into the prices. So you are already paying for these folks who feel its OK to steal.
One reason why, when you see this happening you should inform the staff/security...

At the end of the day we are paying for their freebies... Twisted Evil


But your comparison does not work, when something is stolen from a shop, an item is physically removed that the shop had paid for.

If I were to download a movie that I had no intention of watching at the cinema, what has the producer actually lost?

You'll be comparing piracy to killing a policeman next!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAr7zKxjCDY



Im not saying that that piracy is justified but it can not be compared to stealing from a shop,


it is a bit like if some takes £500 that was yours but you didn't know it was yours, have they stolen it from you because you didn't know you had it? You only know they have taken it once you have been told that the money is yours.
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