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PostPosted: 17:31 - 25 Aug 2008    Post subject: Police arrest man for photographing them Reply with quote

"Fuck off, this is police business"

Police arrest man for photographing them

A man who challenged police reversing the wrong way up a one-way street - to visit a chippie - was thrown in a cell and threatened with trumped-up charges.

Andrew Carter, 44, was told 'F*** off, this is police business' when he protested about the officers breaking traffic laws.

When he photographed the police van outside a Bristol fish and chip shop, PC Aqil Farooq told him he was under arrest for assault, resisting arrest and being drunk and disorderly.

Mr Carter, a self-employed plumber who lives nearby, was handcuffed and bundled into the back of the van then locked in a police cell for five hours.

He was also forced to give a sample of his DNA and had his fingerpints taken. After his release he spent a week on bail before he was he told he would not be charged.

Mr Carter said last night that he was off work for a week with a prescription for valium. 'My blood pressure was so high I thought I was going to have a heart attack,' he added.

Now his business is struggling to survive and he has been left with a fear of the police.

Describing his 'frightening' ordeal, Mr Carter said: 'The officer reversed from the main road through the no entry signs, parked up and went into the fish and chip shop with his colleague on what he says was legitimate police business.

'I was nearly knocked down once so when the police van did it I said, ''Hey mate, no entry'' but he just shouted out the window, ''F**k off, this is police business''.

'When I took a photo of them he came running out, battered the camera from my hand on to the floor and arrested me for three crimes, none of which I'd committed.'

PC Farooq and a woman officer claimed they needed to visit the takeaway shop to view CCTV footage.

The officer faced a disciplinary inquiry and was made to apologise in person to Mr Carter but still held on to his job.

Avon and Somerset deputy chief constable Rob Beckley also wrote to Mr Carter, apologising for the officer's 'totally unacceptable' behaviour.

Mr Carter said he was pleased with the apology but was still pursuing a compensation claim.

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Know how popular copy and pasted stories about the police are so I couldn't not post this one. Razz
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 26 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone should start photographing and videoing the police, wind them up good and build up evidence to see just how easy it is to get on the wrong side of these thugs.
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PostPosted: 12:47 - 26 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

if someone was photographing me id get mad too. Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 26 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keir_K3 wrote:
if someone was photographing me id get mad too. Laughing


Mad enough to chuck someone in a cell for a few hours?

Nothing to hide, nothing to fear.
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PostPosted: 13:41 - 26 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

As often stated in police tv shows, filming in a public place is allowed.

I think the complainant has exagerated the effects of this (which dilutes my sympathy for him) however the officer seems to have abused his power and should have been prosecuted for false arrest at least.

His morality is now questionable and he should be removed from his position.
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PostPosted: 13:41 - 26 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

if i had a cell then yeah why not! bloody do-gooders!
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PostPosted: 15:16 - 26 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

SoND wrote:
Nothing to hide, nothing to fear.


No, no, no. Just no. Razz If that line is total bullshit as an excuse for infringing on our privacy (and it is) then it's equally invalid in any other situation. Anything else is hypocritical.

I'm not disputing the fact that the rozzers appear to be in the wrong here, I'm not even disputing the fact that some jobsworth should be free to take pictures of them, but I do not believe for a second that they, or anyone, should actually be subject to that mentality.
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PostPosted: 16:15 - 26 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dom wrote:


No, no, no. Just no. Razz If that line is total bullshit as an excuse for infringing on our privacy (and it is) then it's equally invalid in any other situation. Anything else is hypocritical.

I'm not disputing the fact that the rozzers appear to be in the wrong here, I'm not even disputing the fact that some jobsworth should be free to take pictures of them, but I do not believe for a second that they, or anyone, should actually be subject to that mentality.


You seem to be over looking the fact that a government organisation objecting to something they regularly do themselves is HIGHLY hypocritical as well.

If they want to use the law against us, then they cannot and must not whine when the same law is used against them.

NO ONE is above the law, not you, not me and certainly not the police.
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PostPosted: 16:46 - 26 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

You do wonder however, what the guy with camera's reaction would be if he was photographed in a way that was meant to be antagonistic. There is taking a photo and there is taking a photo. We all know that it is not necessarily what you do but how you do it. I will defend his right to take the photo but I would question his motive and the way he went about it.
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 26 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

the_guvnor_1_uk wrote:
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No, no, no. Just no. Razz If that line is total bullshit as an excuse for infringing on our privacy (and it is) then it's equally invalid in any other situation. Anything else is hypocritical.

I'm not disputing the fact that the rozzers appear to be in the wrong here, I'm not even disputing the fact that some jobsworth should be free to take pictures of them, but I do not believe for a second that they, or anyone, should actually be subject to that mentality.


You seem to be over looking the fact that a government organisation objecting to something they regularly do themselves is HIGHLY hypocritical as well.

If they want to use the law against us, then they cannot and must not whine when the same law is used against them.

NO ONE is above the law, not you, not me and certainly not the police.


And you seem to be over looking the fact that I specifically said I think the guy should have been entitled to take the photos. And that I'm not supporting the police's actions here. Though it wouldn't surprise me if this guy was a pissed up antagonistic knobber, either.

Using the 'nothing to fear' line suggests an acceptance of that principal, irrespective of who the statement is aimed at. It's a principal that's deeply flawed and that, ironically, the BCF freedom fighters are normally so happy to tear chunks out of when it's voiced by a politician.
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 26 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dom wrote:

Using the 'nothing to fear' line suggests an acceptance of that principal, irrespective of who the statement is aimed at. It's a principal that's deeply flawed and that, ironically, the BCF freedom fighters are normally so happy to tear chunks out of when it's voiced by a politician.


I personally think its just a fair way of looking at it rather than an acceptance., if we moan about all the photography and filming people do in public then surely we cannot exercise our right to take pictures or film a video wherever we want.

That would just be stoking the same fire that you are trying to put out.
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 26 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Press charges and watch them get sacked.

Hey anyone got a story of a police officer doing something good?
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 26 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read another account of this story in which the 'victim' was far less het-up about the police, and specifically stated that while he was pushing for compensation (how surprising) he was happy with the written apology he received from the arresting officer, and was hopeful that there would be no further action taken against him.

The officer would appear to have clearly been in the wrong, but I do go along with what Skudd ponders - namely the mentality of those who antagonise the police (whom they obviously have a low opinion of) and then act surprised when they receive an unwanted response.

No amount of 'They are public servants, they are there to do as I please' style arguments will suffice. The more selfishly and confrontationally the general public behave, the more their fellow citizens in blue will adapt to give the country a force that reflects its own behaviour.

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On here? I doubt it - most people here seem to think that anything good is to be expected, and that only poor service is worthy of note.

In the last couple of weeks I have seen officers assist my colleagues and I in tracking terrorist suspects, interdicting child traffickers, and arresting a couple of foreign nonces. If the downside of that is that some of their colleagues are a bit rude to you lot (when you are most likely quite chopsy yourselves) or park on double yellows - it's a fair trade off in my book.
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PostPosted: 08:35 - 27 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And here lies the problem, does a uniform somehow automatically make you better than the rest of the UK population?

It isn't the general population creating the "us and them" mentality towards the government and its representatives. Its people like you.
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PostPosted: 09:01 - 27 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

If he gets his camera back, I'd happily recover the photographs from his memory card Very Happy

I just remembered, just last week I heard from a guy who witnessed Brunstrom driving whilst using a mobile phone (hand-held) and waving to a gardner with his other hand. I'd love to see that video'd and put on YouTube.
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PostPosted: 11:43 - 27 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mister James wrote:


On here? I doubt it - most people here seem to think that anything good is to be expected, and that only poor service is worthy of note.



I cant see what is wrong with that at all.

Are you suggesting we should be surprised if the police do something good?


We already are.
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 27 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mister James wrote:
On here? I doubt it - most people here seem to think that anything good is to be expected, and that only poor service is worthy of note.


You don't get praised in your job for fucking things up, you're expected to do it right. Poor service is highlighted to be recognised and learnt from so it doesn't happen again.
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 27 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

powelly wrote:
Mister James wrote:
you lot


And here lies the problem, does a uniform somehow automatically make you better than the rest of the UK population?



No, and neither did I say that.

'You lot' refers to the people on BCF who constantly harp on about the police being a bunch of twats.

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It isn't the general population creating the "us and them" mentality towards the government and its representatives. Its people like you.


No, it's quite clearly people like you.

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You don't get praised in your job for fucking things up, you're expected to do it right. Poor service is highlighted to be recognised and learnt from so it doesn't happen again.


So then should good service, surely? Especially if it is as rare as 'you lot' seem to imply.

Personally I'd tend to agree with you, if it wasn't for the fact that there is virtually zero recognition on these forums that the police might do anything good in this country at all. Highlight poor service as much as you like - but it needs to be viewed in context.

The general view that seems to be held by the majority of BCF'ers is not - in my opinion or experience - an accurate reflection of the true facts. I also believe that people 'enhance' their stories of police corruption and incompetence with the same vim and vigor they do their stories of biking godhood.
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 27 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mister James wrote:

Personally I'd tend to agree with you, if it wasn't for the fact that there is virtually zero recognition on these forums that the police might do anything good in this country at all. Highlight poor service as much as you like - but it needs to be viewed in context.
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Recognition for what then? ,

You get recognition for doing good things , I do a good job my boss says I've done a good job (words are free bonuses are not). I do a bad job I get hauled over the coals and or fired.

In the police , you do good you get promoted.

You do bad nothing happens...... infact the people who provide oversight are punished for pointing out the bad.

Somebody once said you should never negotiate with terrorists in that all it does it cause more acts of terrorism , in that because police keep getting away with such things, in effect it just encourages them.

Even chavs know this they do something bad nothing happens so it just encourages them.

All this stuff is cyclic the more corruption and getting away with it we see the less faith we have , as Hetzer said most people didn't wake up and think oh cops are bad it is from their own experiences,
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 27 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

every one has bad days and its hard not to take that energy into your daily profession,when your profession is dealing constantly with other peoples bad days Laughing i can sense how it may get out of hand at times.

i think the greater % of people join the police to do good,some get worn down by the stress of the job and abuse,some make it through out there career without abusing there powers and lording it over others as a bit of reward for the ego..and some are just utter twats. the personality and mood of the person dictates how the law will be presented to you..

Case 1
"we"ve stopped you for a traffic check"
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ok,why have you stopped me outside my house i mean you've been behind me for ten miles"

"we wanted to monitor your riding"

spends 10 minutes inspecting my bike more than an MOT tester would:lol:

"can we see your papers"

"you know i am legal you ran my plate through the radio long before you stopped me"

" CAN WE SEE YOUR PAPERS"

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"its taken ages for you to notice me ,first things first wheres your number plate"

"it was there when i left home Laughing "
5 minutes on the radio

"right if this happens again this is where the number on the frame is to show who ever stops you,im going to follow you home now so you don't get stopped again because that front wheel is just under the legal limit and you haven't got a number plate as well as an L plate on the back..come on m8 theres always one who will throw the book at you and that lanes limit is 50..not 70..sort it out lad"

Followed me to my street and was never seen again.

when it comes to a copper arresting you for things you haven't done just because hes pissed off..does take the piss..treat them as they are..and thats always the person your presented with, not what you think of them.
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 27 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

mad_man wrote:
every one has bad days and its hard not to take that energy into your daily profession,when your profession is dealing constantly with other peoples bad days Laughing i can sense how it may get out of hand at times.

i think the greater % of people join the police to do good,some get worn down by the stress of the job and abuse,some make it through out there career without abusing there powers and lording it over others as a bit of reward for the ego..and some are just utter twats. the personality and mood of the person dictates how the law will be presented to you..



Not only is that the most sense you've made to me yet, it's also one of the most even-handed commentaries on the police I've seen on here yet, and exactly the kind of thing I was referring to early. I just found myself giving you some positive karma - that feels a little weird.

You're quite right in what you say - I suspect it's simply a matter of personal opinion as to the numbers of coppers that fall into each camp.
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PostPosted: 22:11 - 27 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mister James wrote:
...I have seen officers assist my colleagues and I in tracking terrorist suspects, interdicting child traffickers, and arresting a couple of foreign nonces. If the downside of that is that some of their colleagues are a bit rude to you lot (when you are most likely quite chopsy yourselves) or park on double yellows - it's a fair trade off in my book.

No, no, no. Once again you miss the bigger picture in favour of a personal perspective.

Let me try and do this in as few words as I can.

Thin end of the wedge and give an inch and take a mile.

What I'm trying to say is that those in authority have to be accountable to a higher standard. If they can't, or will not, meet that standard then they don't deserve to be in the job. As I've said before, like Caesar's wife, they should be above suspicion.

Those officers were tracking terrorist suspects, interdicting child traffickers, and arresting a couple of foreign nonces because I'm presuming it was their job. They chose to do it, they get paid for it. It's not in their job description to be rude or park on double yellows. That may be considered a 'perk' of the job but it's not being professional. It's just abuse and disrespect of the uniform and quite frankly sticking two fingers up to the rest of us and simply taking the pi$$.

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PostPosted: 01:53 - 28 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

[/quote]

Not only is that the most sense you've made to me yet, it's also one of the most even-handed commentaries on the police I've seen on here yet, and exactly the kind of thing I was referring to early. I just found myself giving you some positive karma - that feels a little weird.

You're quite right in what you say - I suspect it's simply a matter of personal opinion as to the numbers of coppers that fall into each camp.[/quote]


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PostPosted: 01:53 - 28 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:

No, no, no. Once again you miss the bigger picture in favour of a personal perspective.


Actually, no - I'm the one looking at the bigger picture, while everyone else seems to be blinded by their own personal perspective.

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Let me try and do this in as few words as I can.

Thin end of the wedge and give an inch and take a mile.


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What I'm trying to say is that those in authority have to be accountable to a higher standard. If they can't, or will not, meet that standard then they don't deserve to be in the job. As I've said before, like Caesar's wife, they should be above suspicion.


I agree, to an extent - although we're all human, none of us are perfect, and to expect perfect behaviour from the police at every juncture is totally unrealistic, ESPECIALLY given the fact that they are exposed to far more stress and unpleasantness on a daily basis than most people who are so quick to criticise them.

Hold them to a higher standard by all means, but do so in a realistic and practical fashion - and one that takes stock of ALL the facts, not just the negatives.

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Those officers were tracking terrorist suspects, interdicting child traffickers, and arresting a couple of foreign nonces because I'm presuming it was their job. They chose to do it, they get paid for it. It's not in their job description to be rude or park on double yellows. That may be considered a 'perk' of the job but it's not being professional. It's just abuse and disrespect of the uniform and quite frankly sticking two fingers up to the rest of us and simply taking the pi$$.


To quote your good self 'No, no, no.'.

If you'd bothered to read my post, you'd see that I was not suggesting that poor parking or impoliteness was professional behaviour, or even that it should not be challenged - simply that there is not even the slightest attempt on these forums to approach the matter in a balanced matter. Siggi screams "SCUM", others squeak "Useless twats", and then everyone tries to top each other with inflated/tedious stories of the horrific abuses of power they've seen - with plenty of ludicrious comparisons with the last days of the 3rd Reich for good measure.

The police do a lot of good, they put up with a lot of shit, and they deal with plenty of things that make many of the denizens of BCF lose their lunch and cry like a baby.

That doesn't excuse poor behaviour, and such should be challenged wherever it is found - but to expect superhuman behaviour from a group of humans is ridiculous; and to constantly deride tens of thousands of officers based on the limited (and almost certainly biased or exaggerated) experiences and opinions of some on here is totally unfair.

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Why do people post comments that basically say "I totally disagree with you, you're a mental twat without a clue" then put a thumbs-up emoticon at the end as if to say 'no offence'?!

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PostPosted: 05:56 - 28 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mister James wrote:

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What I'm trying to say is that those in authority have to be accountable to a higher standard. If they can't, or will not, meet that standard then they don't deserve to be in the job. As I've said before, like Caesar's wife, they should be above suspicion.


I agree, to an extent - although we're all human, none of us are perfect, and to expect perfect behaviour from the police at every juncture is totally unrealistic, ESPECIALLY given the fact that they are exposed to far more stress and unpleasantness on a daily basis than most people who are so quick to criticise them.


But what we see over and over again is the police fuck up, but then compound it by either turning on the person that points it out or worse still their superiors taking little or no action when if it had been a civilian they would be facing criminal charges.

Are you really justifying this because the average plod sees more stress than a web designer or builder? the surely by that rule my wife the A&E nurse should be let off with her parking ticket because she got it the day she had to deal with 3 miscarrages, a stabbing an a bloke that had been set on fire.

How about the fireman that gets stoned by yobs while trying to save someone from a house fire, is he justified in turning his hose on the litle scrotes.

These people are public servants, and yes they are hard jobs and yes they are stressfull, but each time an incident like this occours they lose a bit of public support and this damages the reputation of the whole force.

I honestly believe that a police officer should face harsher penaltys for breaking the law while in uniform, they are in a position of trust and should know better.
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