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Kickstart
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PostPosted: 18:35 - 02 Sep 2008    Post subject: London Congestion Charge Reply with quote

Hi

This might interest a few people:-

https://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/roadusers/congestioncharging/westernextension/default.aspx

Consultation for the keeping / scrapping of the western extension of the Kengestion charge zone.

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PostPosted: 19:38 - 02 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

IBM runs the congestion charge right? , who bets they will outsource millions of people in India and change their IPs so they look like Londoners comments to be super duper pro congestion charge?...



Consultations are just going through the motions anyway , the decision has already been made as has Manchester's decision.
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PostPosted: 19:41 - 02 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Not sure it is IBM.

However the scheme is already in place, put in by the previous and now rejected mayor. This consultation is from the new mayor who doesn't suffer from the anti motorist tendencies of the previous one.

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PostPosted: 19:49 - 02 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

So Londoners will be allowed to vote in two ways :

YES and YES
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PostPosted: 19:53 - 02 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Capita runs (or at least ran the scheme at the start), although not sure what links the board members have to IBM.

You know, the same Capita that lent millions to New Labour, then ended up with loads of Government IT contracts in it's back pocket!

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PostPosted: 19:55 - 02 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
Capita runs (or at least ran the scheme at the start), although not sure what links the board members have to IBM.

You know, the same Capita that lent millions to New Labour, then ended up with loads of Government IT contracts in it's back pocket!

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Complete coincidence of course!
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 02 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
So Londoners will be allowed to vote in two ways :

YES and YES


Try readong the survey. And you can vote, not just Londoners.

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PostPosted: 20:07 - 02 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:

Complete coincidence of course!


Yep Wink

Oh and you were right about IBM, they won (Ha!) the new contract and start operating it in 2009.

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7062030.stm

Oh and want to know what else IBM is famous for? Oh yea, Nazi death camp computers...

https://news.cnet.com/i/ne/nm/2001/black/ibm1.jpg
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 02 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yet more examples of blinkered thinking from the conspiracy nuts.

Boris has made it quite clear he doesn't agree with the CC, and that he will get rid of it if Londoners vote in favour of doing so.

There isn't a company/organisation/family/religion in the world that you can't trace back to some form of wrongdoing at some point in the past. Talking about Nazi death camps (funny how conspiracy nuts seem to be obsessed with Hitler) is hardly conducive to a sensible discussion on a traffic charge in Kensington!?
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PostPosted: 20:23 - 02 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
So Londoners will be allowed to vote in two ways :

YES and YES


Laughing

This is taken from the news when the extension was announced. Already popular opinion was that it was a bad idea. Why the need for a new consultation?

A Transport for London survey showed 63% of residents and 72% of firms were opposed to the western extension.

Liberal Democrat London Assembly transport spokesman Geoff Pope said the extension decision "flew in the face of common sense" and was "the wrong scheme at the wrong time".

Referring to London's falling retail figures, London Chamber of Commerce press and public affairs director Dan Bridgett said: "This is a bad decision at the worst possible time".

He added that the message that most companies opposed the extension had been "received, understood and blatantly ignored".


https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4296968.stm
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 02 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mister James wrote:
Yet more examples of blinkered thinking from the conspiracy nuts.

Boris has made it quite clear he doesn't agree with the CC, and that he will get rid of it if Londoners vote in favour of doing so.

There isn't a company/organisation/family/religion in the world that you can't trace back to some form of wrongdoing at some point in the past. Talking about Nazi death camps (funny how conspiracy nuts seem to be obsessed with Hitler) is hardly conducive to a sensible discussion on a traffic charge in Kensington!?



And Blair was:

Pro PR
Anti tuition fees
Anti ID cards
Anti War
Anti tax hikes
and a whole load of other stuff he sure changed his tune when he got into power.
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 02 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mister James wrote:
Yet more examples of blinkered thinking from the conspiracy nuts.


Not saying it's a conspiracy you fuckwit, just that it was an interesting sidenote. No, rather than ask you barge in with the same tired old 'tinfoil' shite that's getting a bit boring. It's interesting that IBM was the same company that helped and profited from the Nazi war effort. Some people on here might not know that, hence the interesting point.

The Capita thing is dodgy in the extreme though, I always though people knew that one seeing as their Director resigned over it...
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 02 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
Mister James wrote:
Yet more examples of blinkered thinking from the conspiracy nuts.


Not saying it's a conspiracy you fuckwit, just that it was an interesting sidenote.


I was referring to you, not the topic at hand. You (and your ilk) are - to my mind - conspiracy nuts. That you choose to ignore the FACTS of this case (as presented by Kickstart) and choose to concentrate on things like tenuous links to TEH N4ZZIS!!11

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The Capita thing is dodgy in the extreme though, I always though people knew that one seeing as their Director resigned over it...


Definitely dodgy - indeed, down-right corrupt. As you've pointed out before, most people aren't interested in 'all that politics rubbish' because it 'doesn't affect me' - so the corrupt types get away with it.
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PostPosted: 11:22 - 03 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
Oh and want to know what else IBM is famous for? Oh yea, Nazi death camp computers...


Their first commercial computer was in 1953. Quite a while after the end of the second world war.

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PostPosted: 11:31 - 03 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:

Their first commercial computer was in 1953. Quite a while after the end of the second world war.


They used the punch-card system, an early form of computing, for logging all prisoner details, calculating formulae, and later in the war it was used throughout the war effort as a major operating system. The data was stored as patterns of punches in cards.

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PostPosted: 11:34 - 03 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mister James wrote:
I was referring to you, not the topic at hand. You (and your ilk) are - to my mind - conspiracy nuts. That you choose to ignore the FACTS of this case (as presented by Kickstart) and choose to concentrate on things like tenuous links to TEH N4ZZIS!!11


What are you talking about? Your conspiracy tirade has hijacked this thread, not mine. IBM helped the Nazi war machine. Fact.

Twat.
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PostPosted: 09:13 - 04 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
IBM helped the Nazi war machine. Fact.


So did General Motors. So did any number of other companies who are doing nicely these days. Rolls Royce sold aero engines to the Germans prior to the war and the prototype ME109 was Rolls Royce powered.

As such if IBM punched card adding machines were used by them is pretty irrelevant.

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PostPosted: 11:01 - 04 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:


So did General Motors. So did any number of other companies who are doing nicely these days


Are these companies going to run the CC from 2009? No.

IBM is though, following on a tradition of a non-government organization tracking populations. Bit more relevant.

Sometimes you argue for arguments sake Keith.

I now fully expect you to reply with another argument about relativity of past histories of companies or some such. Jeez.

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PostPosted: 11:12 - 04 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
Are these companies going to run the CC from 2009? No.


Sorry, fail to see the connection between ancient adding machines sold to some organisation that used them for dodgy purposes, and the congestion charge, even if you include tracking populations.

Put it this way, did IBM supply manpower and expertise to the "Nazi war machine"? Or had they just supplied some hardware for general use at a previous time?

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It's very difficult to only use the services and products of companies that are and have always been ethical. If we did insist on that, none of us could have bank accounts or shop in supermarkets. We certainly wouldn't be driving German, Japanese, Italian, UK, US, French, etc cars or bikes.

Besides, the UK had concentration camps, too, but chose to call them internment camps. Apart from those they set up in South Africa during the Boer Wars.
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PostPosted: 00:38 - 05 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have worked for two companies where you couldnt get a japanese company car due to directors having relatives who died in japanese pow camps.
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PostPosted: 07:05 - 05 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

The co-operative bank touts its ethical policy as a major selling point.

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PostPosted: 10:16 - 05 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The co-operative bank touts its ethical policy as a major selling point.

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except it bankrolled the labour party and we know how ethical they are don't we?
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PostPosted: 18:10 - 05 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The co-operative bank touts its ethical policy as a major selling point.

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except it bankrolled the labour party and we know how ethical they are don't we?


I think you have a different idea about ethical investments to the rest of the world.

It means things like not investing in arms companies not using child labour etc.

The interesting thing is that some ethical funds have out-peformed mainstream funds. Analysts have speculated that companies using ethical business methods may be more conscientious generally and so run better businesses.
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Funds? performance?

There is a story about a Chimpanzee in 2004 , she selected when to buy stocks and shares for a period of 6 months by using a large dart board to select which to buy and which to sell , she was the 60th best performing investor...


Also there is an element of right place at the right time...

In that if I had enough money I would have shorted half of it on a currency that is pegged to the USD. In little under 6 weeks I would have made 25% , hence if I had 2 million I would now have 2.5 million.

The £ is sliding and the government exactly like 1967 (Harold Wilson) and 1993 with the ERM crash, the UK government doesn't have the guts or the money to defend the £.

I know for a fact the UK government will not defend the £ , it is bankrupt (paying using printed £ makes it worse!)...

There are only 2 methods of defending the £ , hike interest rates to about 5.5% as a short term measure....

Or to stop anybody drawing anymoney other than a subsistance amount from UK banks. Argentina tried this and it caused a revolution.

Since the UK government can't hike interest rates due to too much house hold debt (people are going bust @ 5%) , and since it can't stop people drawing money it can do nothing.
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