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PostPosted: 10:56 - 03 Sep 2008    Post subject: Drink driving offences and work Reply with quote

Scenario...

A man gets done for drink driving 8 years ago....nobody injured,no accident,no reckless driving etc ,and his reading was only 55mcg (legal limit is 35mcg).
Man keeps a clean licence from then till now,no points..no accidents..nothing.
Same man starts to apply for jobs as a driver/courier/multi drop/ 8 years later.....what are his chances of actually being given a job?

try and keep your replies "on topic" plz.
Don`t want this turning into a B/S ear-bashing about the rights and wrongs of drink driving.....need serious answers only. Wink
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PostPosted: 10:59 - 03 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

dont motoring offences only last 5 years anyways?
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 03 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

First question when applying for an American Visa is have you ever been done for drink driving. If the answer is yes, then its no visa, end of.

With regards to your situation I'm not sure, its easy for me to be critical as I am completely T total, but seems a little harsh to consider something that happened many years ago.
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 03 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benj wrote:
dont motoring offences only last 5 years anyways?


DD is a criminal offence.
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PostPosted: 11:02 - 03 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

most yeah...but DD is with you for 10-11 years...and you still have to declare it to some people even after it`s spent (like insurers etc).
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PostPosted: 17:27 - 03 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drink Driving is on your licence for 11 years. You have to declare it as being on your licence during this time. Some insurers ignore it after 7 years if you have had a clean record in that time, but not all of them will.

Once 11 years have passed you can have it removed from your licence and never have to declare it again as it is considered a spent conviction.

It's best to be honest at any interview you may get for a Driving Job and hope that your clean record since the initial offence influences the company in your favour.
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PostPosted: 18:14 - 03 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grav wrote:

It's best to be honest at any interview you may get for a Driving Job and hope that your clean record since the initial offence influences the company in your favour.


I believe honesty`s always the best policy so i`m being straight about it in all the jobs i`m going for......i`ve only just started sending CVs off so it`d be good to know if i`m just wasting my time even bothering to begin with.

Once the words "drink driving" get mentioned people always conjour up the worst images don`t they...like some lunatic alcoholic x4 over the limit etc
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PostPosted: 18:27 - 03 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it would come more under the companies insurance tbh, the bloke interviewing you would probably want you to have the job but I think the ins' would be the sticking point...

Just thinking aloud so don't shoot me...
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PostPosted: 19:27 - 03 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think its considered the cardinal sin among driving jobs, often see adverts with "minor points considered, No DR Codes!" or something similar.

Doesn't hurt to ask, but I wouldn't expect much joy with a drink driving conviction, there are going to be another 50 applicants who don't have one.
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PostPosted: 19:37 - 03 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

WildGoose wrote:
Think its considered the cardinal sin among driving jobs, often see adverts with "minor points considered, No DR Codes!" or something similar.

Doesn't hurt to ask, but I wouldn't expect much joy with a drink driving conviction, there are going to be another 50 applicants who don't have one.


tbh that`s what i was thinking myself but wasn`t sure.
It won`t hurt to ask,like you say,so i`ll have a crack at it for a few months and see if anyone gets back to me.If they don`t...i`ll know why.
If i`m lucky i`ll catch a break and get through to someone who can actually see the incident for what it was...touch wood.
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PostPosted: 20:00 - 03 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I insure motor fleets and we only apply terms to drivers who have a DR or other category A conviction in the last 5 years.

I would mention that it was a random spot check and not following an accident.

Ive just covered a guy in his late 20's with a DR, BA (driving whilst banned) and IN (driving with no insurance) conviction all within the last 3 years. Granted it was with a very large excess but he's still insured.

When it comes to companies hiring people with convictions a lot of insurers will just hike up the excess and any decent company will then inform the driver that any fault accidents and they will be paying some or all of that large excess out of their own pockets.
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 03 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevoriv wrote:
Well I insure motor fleets and we only apply terms to drivers who have a DR or other category A conviction in the last 5 years.

I would mention that it was a random spot check and not following an accident.

Ive just covered a guy in his late 20's with a DR, BA (driving whilst banned) and IN (driving with no insurance) conviction all within the last 3 years. Granted it was with a very large excess but he's still insured.

When it comes to companies hiring people with convictions a lot of insurers will just hike up the excess and any decent company will then inform the driver that any fault accidents and they will be paying some or all of that large excess out of their own pockets.


Cheers..

I`ve mentioned everything in my cover notes (no accident/injury etc.).and even made it clear it was a routine pull coming out of work...even mentioned how much i`d drunk and the fact that i "should`ve" been under the limit coz i`d only had 3 units.

My own insurance policies aren`t affected by the DD anymore so tbh i can`t see how it`d be any different on a companys` policy either.....but i think i might also mention that "if" there was any problem with an increased premium for me...i`d pay it myself.
Don`t think there`s very much more i can do to improve my chances is there........or maybe there is?

The only things holding me back IMO would either be the employer having an issue with DD (whatever the situation)...or because i`ve never done that type of work before.
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 03 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

11 yrs on licence,5 yrs acting on insurance,dont bother saying anything ,you will be finished there and then,say nothing ,get the job and let it ride out Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 03 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont mention the "even mentioned how much i`d drunk and the fact that i "should`ve" been under the limit coz i`d only had 3 units."

Makes the company think that you feel hard done by and would maybe do the same again. Just say it was a routine stop and leave it at that.

Personally speaking as an underwriter providing you were over 30 and had a clean accident and conviction record since the DR conviction then I wouldnt apply an terms or additional premium.

I see far worse everyday Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 03 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

garyd wrote:
11 yrs on licence,5 yrs acting on insurance,dont bother saying anything ,you will be finished there and then,say nothing ,get the job and let it ride out Thumbs Up


I don`t think that`d work tbh.At some point they`re probably gonna ask to see the paperpart licence if they wanna offer me a job......then when they see the DD code on there it`ll look bad for me coz i neglected to tell them in the beginning.
That`s how i see it anyway.I hate liars and people who cover up the truth....and i think most employers would have the same frame of mind.

Liars never prosper...they always get found out in the end IME.
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 03 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry ,your right ,forgot the showing of licence bit,although i did once photocopy mine then tippex it out then photocopy that ,for exactly the same as you ,not that im even suggesting you try it to see how it looks or owt................................................... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 03 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevoriv wrote:
Dont mention the "even mentioned how much i`d drunk and the fact that i "should`ve" been under the limit coz i`d only had 3 units."

Makes the company think that you feel hard done by and would maybe do the same again. Just say it was a routine stop and leave it at that.


Point taken...i`ll leave that out from now on (too late for some though coz i`ve already sent them)

trevoriv wrote:
Personally speaking as an underwriter providing you were over 30 and had a clean accident and conviction record since the DR conviction then I wouldnt apply an terms or additional premium.

I see far worse everyday Laughing


it`s good to know there`s worse situations out there.....hope others see it the same way.
i definately tick the rest of the boxes.....totally clean licence now and not a single point,accident,or offence since it happened....and i`m almost 40 so that`s gotta go in my favour.
Surely these companies would rather have a mature driver on their books instead of a young lad with less road experience?
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PostPosted: 20:29 - 03 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

garyd wrote:
Sorry ,your right ,forgot the showing of licence bit,although i did once photocopy mine then tippex it out then photocopy that ,for exactly the same as you ,not that im even suggesting you try it to see how it looks or owt................................................... Rolling Eyes


did you get the job...and did you ever get found out?
it`s not something i`d normally do tbh but i can see the method in your madness....lol
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PostPosted: 20:53 - 03 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry ,your right ,forgot the showing of licence bit,although i did once photocopy mine then tippex it out then photocopy that ,for exactly the same as you ,not that im even suggesting you try it to see how it looks or owt................................................... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 01:46 - 04 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't try and doctor your counterpart, while it would probably work with small companies you are technically breaking the law because you will be incorrectly insured as they don't know about it, not the right thing to do IMO. The second problem is a lot of companies perform regular electronic licence checks with the DVLA to get around problems with forged or expired licences, mine does it every 3months, so your conviction would appear on those.

I think your best bet is to apply for jobs, be honest and see where you get, as said don't mention about how much you drank, and certainly not the bit about being stopped and charged with drink driving upon leaving work Confused

You can still get a driving job with DR's on your licence, it's not easy but places will give you a shot, it's harder if you go for HGV obviously as insurance is much more strict, but I work with someone who had a DR in the past and he has the job, and other drivers do get jobs after a conviction for it.
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PostPosted: 04:41 - 04 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phoenix wrote:
I wouldn't try and doctor your counterpart, while it would probably work with small companies you are technically breaking the law because you will be incorrectly insured as they don't know about it, not the right thing to do IMO. The second problem is a lot of companies perform regular electronic licence checks with the DVLA to get around problems with forged or expired licences, mine does it every 3months, so your conviction would appear on those.

I think your best bet is to apply for jobs, be honest and see where you get, as said don't mention about how much you drank, and certainly not the bit about being stopped and charged with drink driving upon leaving work Confused

You can still get a driving job with DR's on your licence, it's not easy but places will give you a shot, it's harder if you go for HGV obviously as insurance is much more strict, but I work with someone who had a DR in the past and he has the job, and other drivers do get jobs after a conviction for it.


cheers...

just to clarify something:
when i said it happened leaving work i`d also mentioned prior to that point that it was a social drink with work colleagues at the end of the shift.I said that to make sure they didn`t think i`d been drinking "on the job". Wink
does that not make it seem more relevant?
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PostPosted: 00:58 - 05 Sep 2008    Post subject: Re: Drink driving offences and work Reply with quote

B_A_B wrote:
Scenario...

A man gets done for drink driving 8 years ago....nobody injured,no accident,no reckless driving etc ,and his reading was only 55mcg (legal limit is 35mcg).
Man keeps a clean licence from then till now,no points..no accidents..nothing.
Same man starts to apply for jobs as a driver/courier/multi drop/ 8 years later.....what are his chances of actually being given a job?

try and keep your replies "on topic" plz.
Don`t want this turning into a B/S ear-bashing about the rights and wrongs of drink driving.....need serious answers only. Wink


I have worked as a recruitment consultant for drivers. Its a flat no for anyone with a DD on their license.

Even more so if its just 3.5T rather than class II or class I.

3.5T drivers with clean licenses are not hard to come by, even with multidrop experience, so why would an employer take a risk and have someone with a DR ?

The hypothetical person would be wasting their time trying to get a driving job.

If pheonix has worked with people with DR offenses on their license, I suspect that they are still in the job they had before the offense and if they tried to get another one, they'd struggle.

Often the companies insurance specifies no DR offenses and no more than 6 or 9 points. Anything that contravenes that and they arent insured.

So they might not even have the option to give someone a chance if they like his face.
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PostPosted: 02:43 - 05 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well in all fairness Colin has more knowlege on the whole with the employment criteria of transport companies as he used to recruit for them, but only via one agency with their own set of policies.

But the guy I work with did not have his job before his conviction it was gained afterwards, I've seen the insurance critera for our specific company policy and it has long lists of what is acceptable and unnaceptable insurance wise for drivers. Drink driving was acceptable after the conviction was several years old can't remember the exact time, however convictions such as death by dangerous/reckless were unnacceptable as were those that involved theft or hijack of a vehicle. I got to look at this document as I had an SP50 ban on record at the time and they had to check it was allowable, which it was obviously. Policies are all different, as said many are a firm no on all drink driving offences, and it's down to the companies criteria aswell, not just the insurance.

I also think to be honest to plainly say don't bother you won't get a job is wrong, you can get 3.5t work with a DR on your licence, maybe not via your old agency or some others, but direct employment or someone will no doubt be able to give you work.
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PostPosted: 07:44 - 05 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok cheers for the replies lads.
I`m not gonna quit just coz there`s a small chance "some" companies wont even consider me....i`ll just keep applying and see how it pans out.
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 05 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phoenix wrote:
Well in all fairness Colin has more knowlege on the whole with the employment criteria of transport companies as he used to recruit for them, but only via one agency with their own set of policies.



I've worked for two agencies. If there were a shortage of multidrop van drivers its almost possible that they might use drivers with a DR. We would pre-screen anyone who rang up by asking if they had a DR offense. Anyone who did would be told not to come in to register. On the odd occasion where someone walked in without calling first, and they had a DR offense, they would be turned away.

If it were a class 2 or class 1 driver, the agency might put him on their books and use him on occasions when they literally had no one else.

The client would need to be informed that he had a DR offense first, if the client really needed the delivery to go out, they might consider it. Normally they would just say no.

In fact its more likely that an agency would think twice about offering a driver with a DR offense even if they had no one else and the client is desperate. It makes the agency look crap if they are offering drivers with a DR offense. Its enough to make the client think twice about ringing that agency again instead of another one.

It stays on for 10 years and comes off after 11. I have used drivers who still had it on their license after 10 years as it was no longer active, but told them they should send their counterpart in to get it taken off, as if a client saw it, it would put doubt in their mind.

Some people who have DR offense are habitual drunks, its not always possible to tell a habitual drunk from someone who was stupid once and got caught. Why would someone sending out drivers want to take that risk, when there are plenty of people with clean licenses to choose from who will work for little more than minimum wage ?

To give you an idea, the boss at my last place put an ad in the paper for van drivers, and in the first week we would get about 30 calls a day. That's 150 a week, we only had about 5 positions to fill. We kept getting calls for weeks after. We probably had about 25 people call with multidrop experience, and about 3 with DR offenses. Why would we choose the people with DR offenses if we could pick someone just as good without ?

I'd consider another line of work. Transport clerk might be good as your knowledge of driving would be useful. Or drivers mate if you like being out on the road.

If you are applying, consider calling up after applying, if you sound good on the phone that can carry more weight than if you look good on paper.
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