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Feasty
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PostPosted: 14:48 - 15 Sep 2008    Post subject: Spark plug locations.... competition time! Reply with quote

On my XR125 the spark plug was on the side and easy to reach, however now I've got the SLR650 I can't believe the stupid place it is positioned! Facing forwards with the frame directly in front of it, making it a nightmare to reach and get in and out... Evil or Very Mad

Which has led me to creating this thread to find out the worst bike for spark plug location - where's yours!?

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t121anf
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PostPosted: 14:50 - 15 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

under the tank, so loads of plastic to remove, then tank then plugs.

you can sometimes just bend the plastics enough to remove the tank but the proper way is all the plastics off
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NSR Mick
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 15 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an easy one and a slightly harder one. Laughing

One pokes out of the front of the fairing and the other is under the tank facing straight up
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PostPosted: 14:54 - 15 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

On the Bimota, down a long and very narrow spark plug well (you need a very thin walled plug socket to get them out, same as the FZ750), but close to the frame, etc.

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Feasty
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 15 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

t121anf wrote:
under the tank, so loads of plastic to remove, then tank then plugs.

you can sometimes just bend the plastics enough to remove the tank but the proper way is all the plastics off


Methinks you are winning so far!!! Laughing
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(7 year gap), BMW F650 (Relaxing ride). Aprilia Caponord ETV1000 (Big and bold). Yamaha FZS600 (got me in trouble too quick!).
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PostPosted: 15:11 - 15 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

CBR400.

Plastics off, rad off.

Then simply poke your 12 inch long, inch wide hands in, around the frame, use a concoction of various obselete plug spanners/sockets/extensions to loosen each plug.

Then with a blob of blu tack stuck on the end of your 7 inch long finger, poke manically for ten minutes at each loosened plug end till it sticks then pull out.

Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:12 - 15 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the blandit 400 it is taken off. You can get plugs 1 and 4 out just by using a floppy adaptor thing but for 2 and 3 the tank must come off and then its still a pig to dodge all the wires and hoses and stuff.
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PostPosted: 15:20 - 15 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

not mine but someone I know with a duke 999. Its a v twin, one facing forwards which is ok to get to, both side fairings off, small piece of metal off and then coil then spark plug is down narrow hole about 4-5inches deep.

Other plug is vertical under the tank. I think you have to remove side fairings, then tank then coil then plug in narrow hole.

The coil is built into the plug caps I think so no HT leads. Although not entirely sure.
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PostPosted: 15:38 - 15 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

GPZ750r, all 4 are 6 inches down in very tight recesses, meaning you need a very thin walled plug spanner.

1+4 come out once the tank is off (and fairings if I had them, naked = win Cool ) but to take 2+3 out you have to disconnect the coolant overflow, remove the coils, move the throttle cable, and wiggle the loom around to get to them.


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PostPosted: 15:40 - 15 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel guilty for whinging about it now!! Razz
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(7 year gap), BMW F650 (Relaxing ride). Aprilia Caponord ETV1000 (Big and bold). Yamaha FZS600 (got me in trouble too quick!).
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PostPosted: 16:25 - 15 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

CX500 - in the top of the heads a good 4 inches clear of the tank and other obstructions.

Very easy to get at with tools, sadly very easy for water to get at too making the sudden drop from two firing cylinders to a single firing cylinder a regular event in the rain.

Have had over an inch of water around the lefthand plug before now. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 17:16 - 15 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yes, water.

Get that on the gpz all the time on cylinder 1, there are no recess drains, and the lack of fairing means rain runs off the tank, and onto the engine, then into plug cap 1.


Im going to have to find a solution to that.


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PostPosted: 18:15 - 15 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hyosung GV 650 V twin rear plug easy seat off tank raised front plug radiator cover radiator off!
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PostPosted: 18:35 - 15 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Buell XB12R was the worst one... Apparently its impossible to get the rear plug in the rear cylinder without cross threading it. The alternative is to drop the engine of course...
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PostPosted: 07:36 - 16 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is it with these idiot motorbike engine designers, surely they need to take a LITTLE heed of the fact the bike might need servicing every now and again! Rolling Eyes
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(7 year gap), BMW F650 (Relaxing ride). Aprilia Caponord ETV1000 (Big and bold). Yamaha FZS600 (got me in trouble too quick!).
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PostPosted: 10:10 - 16 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

aerox 100 Confused

you had to remove every single panel except the clock cowling, you had to remove the seat , remove the fan cover , remove the cylinder cover, take the rear suspension off because the spark plug was in the way of a frame brace, then have someone lift the engine up by the back wheel to angle the plug down and fit a spaner on it Confused

fookin effort , changing spark plugs took about an hour and a half
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PostPosted: 10:16 - 16 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

beanfeast wrote:
What is it with these idiot motorbike engine designers, surely they need to take a LITTLE heed of the fact the bike might need servicing every now and again! Rolling Eyes


Its not really a priority... same as crash protection. You have to bear in mind that dealerships pay the manufacturer for the franchise to sell and service bikes, so in a way it is in their interest to make it complicated to do. Similarly it is sort of in their interest to make bikes crash badly because they sell the parts at extortionate prices.

The other thing of course is that sometimes there is an 'engine team' and a 'chassis team' that design the parts seperately. It might be inconvenient when you put the two together that you can't get at the plugs... but as said ease of servicing is not a priority. Just look at the equipment you need for cars these days...
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PostPosted: 11:02 - 16 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you think some bikes are bad. On my old Passat the engine and box have to come out to change cam adjusters, alternator, O2 sensors amongst other things.
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 16 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn't get much easier than this . . . . . .

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PostPosted: 14:39 - 16 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finglonga wrote:
Doesn't get much easier than this . . . . . .

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/finglonga/DSCF1388a.jpg


Dunno.... this is pretty damn easy:

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PostPosted: 15:29 - 16 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

VFR400 NC30.

To get to the rear plugs, seat unit off, then the tank and then you have access.

Front plugs, front plastics off, rad off (could sometimes get it to swing forwards enough, but I kept on pushing it too hard and popping the coolant hose off) then you had access.
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