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 Posted: 14:42 - 16 Sep 2008  Post subject: Fecked off with OIL/GAS/ELECTRICITY companies. |
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This whole credit crunch is quite amusing to watch right now, watching banks scramble to save their assets cause they have been losers beforehand and not given credit safely.
However, i'm probably the only sadact to go onto the market data link on BBC business everyday to check the price of oil.
Well today oil dipped to $89 a barrel, to put this into perspective it got to $147 a barrel in July.
How much have my local pumps reduced petrol by? 4p. FOUR FUCKING PENCE?! It is still 113.9 here and the cheapest I have seen for 30 miles is 109.9.
I'm fully aware of the pound weakening very quickly against the dollar, making a dip in oil prices less effective, but this is a fricking joke. I reckon with a quick 10 second calculation in my head that petrol should be at tops just over a pound a litre.
If oil goes up, petrol goes up at the pumps INSTANTLY, if it drops it apparantly takes 6 WEEKS to filter through to the pumps. Completely and absolutely fucking wrong and i'm sick of us taking it up the ass for fuel.
The same applies to energy companies, when British Gas put electric or gas prices UP 35%, they said that gas is related to the price of oil. If this is the case Mr British Gas, then surely you will be making a 35% reduction in gas bills in the next quarter? I think fucking not.
I put it like this. I don't give a shit what happened in 9/11. I don't really give a shit about half the crap some of the people post in Current Affairs, but as a consumer I give a fuck about the way our government lets us down time and time again when it comes to safeguarding energy. They are willing to let people die in cold homes in the winter and ruin their transportation just to keep Mr British Gas and monsueir BP happy.
rant over.
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| Posted: 15:04 - 16 Sep 2008 Post subject: |
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hes normal only gives a fuck about what effects him..its becoming funny watching the fruit begin to ripe  i have been saying shit to people for years..a few years ago i said the two biggest mortgage giants Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac will go bust and be bailed out by the gov and the banks are going to start going down hill..everything gona go up and the economy is going to smash..not crash.. i got laughed at loads..hearing less and less of it by the day |
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| mad_man wrote: | hes normal only gives a fuck about what effects him..its becoming funny watching the fruit begin to ripe i have been saying shit to people for years..a few years ago i said the two biggest mortgage giants Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac will go bust and be bailed out by the gov and the banks are going to start going down hill..everything gona go up and the economy is going to smash..not crash.. i got laughed at loads..hearing less and less of it by the day |
Ain't that the fvcking truth.
"If people stopped shoplifting prices would go down."
Yeah, same principle applies to energy, eh? Well, as Jon has pointed out, it doesn't. The parasite filth will never reduce from where they've jacked. Ever. Once they see the market can bear a price they'll stick to it. Competition?
Meanwhile, over on the continent, the French restrict annual increases in energy bills to 5%, the Germans have a similar scheme, and so do most of the other countries. Their govts seem to give a fvck. But here in this toilet? Under Zanu-Labour? "Oh, ok, we'll pay for you to put some lagging in your loft, that'll make a difference." Windfall tax on the energy companies? Nah. Somebody might not get their back pocket filled.
Criminal filth, the lot of them. As we've been saying all along. Now the chickens are coming home to roost, for the lot of you. You didn't stand up for yourselves and now you're reaping the rewards. Taxed, priced and billed into financial oblivion, with the very much increased likelihood you'll lose your means to pay it all as well.
I hope the whole stinking toilet crashes and burns. Nuke the fvcking lot.
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Meanwhile, over on the continent, the French restrict annual increases in energy bills to 5%, the Germans have a similar scheme, and so do most of the other countries. Their govts seem to give a fvck. But here in this toilet? Under Zanu-Labour? "Oh, ok, we'll pay for you to put some lagging in your loft, that'll make a difference." Windfall tax on the energy companies? Nah. Somebody might not get their back pocket filled.
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Erm this is because German and French governments own our utilities,
Eon , is German , EDF - ie Electricity de France is owned by the French government virtually....
They rip US off so they can subsidise their own customers....
Also the German and French governments are longer term thinking in that they have big gas and oil facilities, which means they can store a helluva lot more gas and oil than us, our own lack of capacity in persuit of profit means we are at their mercy..
The UK and US developed strategies such as JIT - Just on time delivery systems , this means less tied up stock, less warehouses less business rates and less staff , lorries are effectively warehouses for food with a few big centralised depots , this was done in persuit of extra profit.
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Windfall tax on the energy companies? Nah. Somebody might not get their back pocket filled. |
You forget the principle that the end consumer ALWAYS ends up paying whatever taxes get put on things...
VAT all the producers and value adders can claim VAT back off each other, result the consumer pays.
Corporation tax , this just means that companies have to make 30% more to be able to pay the corporation tax which means increased prices and or volume.
Windfall taxes , joint stock companies require a minimum return else nobody will fund them thus they need base rate + X% , all a wind fall tax does is it pushes prices up even more in the future, since this minimum return still needs to be made.
Income taxes on our wages, in that the company employing workers has to increase its prices by the amount that the income taxes are...
You may recall a post I made 6 months ago why is everything in the UK so expensive? , the point was that all the taxes added up pushing the price of everything up.
Ie the big mac:
UK
Lets say it costs £1 to make and £1 of labour
In the UK this is
£1 for the big mac (beef , gas , bread, veg)
£1 for labour
+ 32% income tax + 28% corporation tax
So your £2 burger is now + 64p for income tax +56p for corporation tax, and to top it off another 30p for VAT, thus your burger becomes
£3.54 due to the tax. Completely forgetting admin and other taxes.
Now tax for example HK ,
£1 for big mac
£1 for labour
0% income tax for people who work at Mc'ds
0% NI for people who work at Mc'ds
0% VAT since VAT doesn't exist in HK
0% pay roll since people ALL are under self assessment there
16% corporation tax
thus your £2 burger is £2.32.
This is of course highly simplified as many things are forgotten such as business rates, and other costs which probably add about 50p to each one.
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Added to which is all the bureaucratic wastage in the UK, meaning few people are doing useful work.
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That's the amazing thing. If you took away all the jobs being done that provide goods and services that aren't strictly needed there'd be easily 80%+ of people out of work. But the food could still be produced, and the clothes and the homes and energy, if those doing that work were prepared to carry on earning money with which there'd be nothing to buy.
When you really think about the stuff we buy, and how much of it is for actual survival vs all the other crap, it's a proper eye-opener. The biggest part of our economy is based upon needless trash, stuff that's only been available in the past few decades, and a lot of it not even then.
Unless you accept that life is all about experiencing pleasure, much of it very momentary. We earn money, for what? To buy distractions. Distraction from what? The utter pointlessness and futility of existence.
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I still fail to see how everyone except Hetzer is to blame though. The only thing you can do is vote, vote for who, they're all the same and they'd all have got us into the same mess. Hetzer says they have none of his cash in their vaults, well every time he buys something that's 17.5% going into their vaults, along with the indirect taxation on everything else. His income is taxed unless he doesn't declare any of it though his account interest will still be taxed, he pays council tax, fuel tax, NHS contributions.
The only people who really have worked the system are the wasters who dont work a day in their life and get handouts, and Gypos, though they just avoid the system rather than work it.
I don't slam those that try and get the point across, I don't post up pictures of tin foil wearing cats all the time. I listen to what I want to and believe what I want to, but you have to live by the rules unless you want to screw yourself over. When some revolutionary pops his head up with an idea on exactly what would make a about how they're doing all they can by spreading the word and it's everyone elses fault for being blind and stupid. difference then all hail him, but all I see is people yapping away
Well if you do ever manage to spread the word to the whole country, well done, but as you yourself just said, it's not going to work is it so is infact not a particularly great idea, and certainly doesn't exonerate you from any blame for the way the country is going simply because you tried to warn people.
Ofcourse you could create a real opposition party to those in power, but it'd take decades to get anywhere near the top, and you'd probably be blocked from getting there by the current government and end up being no different from the rest of them by the time you got there, that's the way a UK 'democracy' works. |
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The other solution is to vote with your feet, which you seemed to discuss in another thread.
I came to a similar conclusion a few years ago and thought that I can't change much and thus laid the foundations for escape.
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| Phoenix wrote: | I still fail to see how everyone except Hetzer is to blame though. The only thing you can do is vote, vote for who, they're all the same and they'd all have got us into the same mess. Hetzer says they have none of his cash in their vaults, well every time he buys something that's 17.5% going into their vaults, along with the indirect taxation on everything else. His income is taxed unless he doesn't declare any of it though his account interest will still be taxed, he pays council tax, fuel tax, NHS contributions.
The only people who really have worked the system are the wasters who dont work a day in their life and get handouts, and Gypos, though they just avoid the system rather than work it.
I don't slam those that try and get the point across, I don't post up pictures of tin foil wearing cats all the time. I listen to what I want to and believe what I want to, but you have to live by the rules unless you want to screw yourself over. When some revolutionary pops his head up with an idea on exactly what would make a about how they're doing all they can by spreading the word and it's everyone elses fault for being blind and stupid. difference then all hail him, but all I see is people yapping away
Well if you do ever manage to spread the word to the whole country, well done, but as you yourself just said, it's not going to work is it so is infact not a particularly great idea, and certainly doesn't exonerate you from any blame for the way the country is going simply because you tried to warn people.
Ofcourse you could create a real opposition party to those in power, but it'd take decades to get anywhere near the top, and you'd probably be blocked from getting there by the current government and end up being no different from the rest of them by the time you got there, that's the way a UK 'democracy' works. |
Don't assume to know what I pay.  It's not just about what you know (loopholes), it's also who you know.
You can't beat them going head-on, so you get inside the machine where all the cogs are and go to work with a large wrench. But that only works if they don't know you're there, which is why, as much as I'd like to, I can never give the details.
On paper I don't even properly exist. I have documents but...who is that guy?
They know it goes on but they do nothing about it. Why? Publicity they don't want. They fear it, because it would open the floodgates. And that suits me just fine.
Yes, I pay VAT and gas duty etc, and I'm happy enough to do that much, I consider it a fair contribution for what I get out of the system (medical care for my kids mainly, should they ever need it). Any of the rest of it, I'd emmigrate back to Japan first. That or when hell freezes over.
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We do have to deal with an awful lot don't we?
I mean apart from the banks making a mockery of us, a large percentage of us are worried about everyday living.
Today in the UK if you're not worrying about your childrens health/saftey then you're worrying about your money which in part is linked anyway and finally you have the constant barrage from the government/news of 'foriegn/alien' invasion.
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