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PostPosted: 08:41 - 19 Sep 2008    Post subject: What would happen if a bank went bust? Reply with quote

In light of the current ecenomical climate and the UK's biggest mortgage lender needing to be rescued by merging with another bank I was thinking what would happen if HBOS where left to go under?

I have my Mortgage, loan,current account, savings account, credit card and business account with them.

I'm assuming that the recievers would be straight round wanting the balance of my mortgage. Is this the case or could I tell them to do one.
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PostPosted: 08:46 - 19 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

While they probably could demand the balance (same with most loans), in practice the mortgage to you is an asset that is worth more than the balance outstanding. Hence the receivers would make more on selling the mortgage on to another company.

All the best

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PostPosted: 08:54 - 19 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobody is saying it, but I don't think it's impossable that there could be a run on the Bank of Scotland.

If I was with them and they got taken over by Lloyds TSB, I'd take my money out.

Also a lot of Scottish people bank with them because it is the Bank of Scotland, if this is no longer the case, they may well decide to take their custom elsewhere.

I think the media are keeping quiet about the possability in case they are accused of triggering it.
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PostPosted: 10:06 - 19 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not surprised they are keeping quiet when most shares go up and down on rumours and stories. If you were to rumour Tesco was in a financial mess and would be losing contracts I'm sure its shares would go down, if they went down enough then they would be prime for a take over and asset stripping, all for a rumour.
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PostPosted: 10:07 - 19 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Also a lot of Scottish people bank with them because it is the Bank of Scotland, if this is no longer the case, they may well decide to take their custom elsewhere.

Where, though?

RBS, I suppose, but they're getting greedy, too, and are definitely a global bank, not just a Scottish one. Besides, there are rumours of an RBS/HSBC merger, with HSBC by far the dominant one.

Clydesdale is part of the National Australia Bank group.

I can't think of any other Scottish banks.
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 19 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Nobody is saying it, but I don't think it's impossable that there could be a run on the Bank of Scotland.

If I was with them and they got taken over by Lloyds TSB, I'd take my money out.

Also a lot of Scottish people bank with them because it is the Bank of Scotland, if this is no longer the case, they may well decide to take their custom elsewhere.

I think the media are keeping quiet about the possability in case they are accused of triggering it.


The bank of England though was founded by a Scottish bloke


Paivi wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:
Also a lot of Scottish people bank with them because it is the Bank of Scotland, if this is no longer the case, they may well decide to take their custom elsewhere.

Where, though?

RBS, I suppose, but they're getting greedy, too, and are definitely a global bank, not just a Scottish one. Besides, there are rumours of an RBS/HSBC merger, with HSBC by far the dominant one.

Clydesdale is part of the National Australia Bank group.

I can't think of any other Scottish banks.


Buy gold and stick it under your bed....

A big problem with this is that quite a few of the gold holding companies in the UK bank with Lloyds and Hbos.. Confused
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 19 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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While they probably could demand the balance (same with most loans), in practice the mortgage to you is an asset that is worth more than the balance outstanding. Hence the receivers would make more on selling the mortgage on to another company.

All the best

Keith


Just hope they don't sell your debt to big burly blokes who break your legs if you don't pay ontime..
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PostPosted: 11:07 - 19 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
Just hope they don't sell your debt to big burly blokes who break your legs if you don't pay ontime..


Don't know. Broken leg in exchange for the mortgage being paid might be a decent exchange.

Not like they would be hard to trace or that they would be in a position to demand any money once traced.

All theb est

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PostPosted: 11:11 - 19 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes but they would break your leg AND send you the bill for it too as an admin charge ONTOP of your mortgage liabilities,

next time they come break your leg twice and send you a bill twice....
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PostPosted: 11:17 - 19 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Nope, because if they phycally came breaking legs then they would be in no position to send any letters or collect anything.

If they ramped the cost of lending up then you just go elsewhere. Which means that they have paid out a premium for the debt and just thrown the money away.

All the best

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PostPosted: 13:14 - 19 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Nope, because if they phycally came breaking legs then they would be in no position to send any letters or collect anything.

All the best

Keith


Not sure if the type of people who are ready and willing to break legs to acquire money owed are too fussed about the ethics and morals behind demanding/collecting said money...... Smile

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PostPosted: 13:29 - 19 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

GhostRider wrote:
Not sure if the type of people who are ready and willing to break legs to acquire money owed are too fussed about the ethics and morals behind demanding/collecting said money...... Smile


And any group who bought a load of mortgages and tried to collect like that would rapidly be behind bars. And if the courts were nasty they might confiscate all the money they are owed as being the profits of crime.

That said, I think Itchy is talking about the breaking of legs in a joking way. Certainly how I am treating it.

All the best

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PostPosted: 14:45 - 19 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed, I also jest Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 17:22 - 20 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

im confused, last year HBOS announced its biggest profits ever, also this XL thing , I dont know anyone who had actually heard of them before the news broke.
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PostPosted: 18:19 - 20 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

scorps wrote:
im confused, last year HBOS announced its biggest profits ever, also this XL thing , I dont know anyone who had actually heard of them before the news broke.



XL travel emerged as #3 because Thompson or Thomas cook did some consolidation and started to consume other tour operators I think it was sky tours and lunn polly? I forget which ones which meant the top 3 or 4 became one entity and little heard of XL became 3rd through little action of its own..


Also the profits thing , profits are often given away in dividends and or used to buy things that make you money.... thus the record profits were often dividended away thinking we'll make plenty more next year... also the government doesn't like companies holding lots of cash its suspicious according to me audit book...

Some banks sunk their profits (invested) them in turds of investments ie the toxic debt ie where mortgages are put to people on the dole and such like, and the additional profits did not materialise....
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PostPosted: 08:53 - 28 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

banks have already gone bust thats the thing , all it means is that the government ie you and me well maybe you , will be bailing them out via your taxes..

The current bail outs and special liquidity schemes have in effect added 8p onto your income tax, either paid for by borrowing or inflation , it means the basic rate has to be 28% income tax just to pay the interest on such loans..

I used to joke about 125% basic rate income tax, and 2000% income tax if you earned over 10K , but I'm not so sure...

oops sorry miscalculation NR £58Bn and B&B £52Bn, which is about 50% ontop of income tax if paid off within a year completely forgetting compounded interest which 5-10% means an extra 4p on income tax just to pay the interest
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