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c-m
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PostPosted: 23:21 - 21 Sep 2008    Post subject: level of cover Reply with quote

I've been looking at quotes for a number of models of bike mainly - zzr, zx6r, thundercat, cbr600 etc.. etc.

The CBR and zx6 are:
3rd party - £180
TPFT - £240
Full Comp - £280

Thundercat / zzr600
3rd party - £100
TPFT - £130 £500 excess
Comp - £280 - £500 excess

The excess on the TPFT and comprehensive policies is around £400.

My question is since i'm not looking at spending much more than £1400 is there any point in the more comprehensive policies?

Interestingly an R1 wasn't too much more than the sports 600s (less than a thunderace), not that i have any intention of ever getting one. An FJ1200 would be more like it.
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PostPosted: 01:34 - 22 Sep 2008    Post subject: Re: level of cover Reply with quote

Fully comp all the way mate, it makes any claim so much easier if you have fully comp.
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PostPosted: 04:57 - 22 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I put this in another ins thread....


This is how i would look at it is.

I have enough free money to buy a new bike in the bank.
>3rd party.

I could afford to buy a new bike if i bin it. But live in a iffy area.
>3rd party fire and theft.

I cant afford to buy a new bike at all....
>Fully comp.


For the sake of £40 on the cbr i would go FC, the benifits far outweigh te small cash saving.
You might also want to see if you can get the excess dropped a bit as well.
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PostPosted: 09:17 - 22 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
I put this in another ins thread....


This is how i would look at it is.

I have enough free money to buy a new bike in the bank.
>3rd party.

I could afford to buy a new bike if i bin it. But live in a iffy area.
>3rd party fire and theft.

I cant afford to buy a new bike at all....
>Fully comp.


For the sake of £40 on the cbr i would go FC, the benifits far outweigh te small cash saving.
You might also want to see if you can get the excess dropped a bit as well.


Got to agree with the above, plus it may be worth thinking that if the excess on £1400 quid bike is £400, the most you are going to get for the extra money you 'bet' is £1000 and in reality probably a lot less.

i suspect i would go the TPF&T route
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PostPosted: 09:33 - 22 Sep 2008    Post subject: Re: level of cover Reply with quote

c-m wrote:

My question is since i'm not looking at spending much more than £1400 is there any point in the more comprehensive policies?


When the difference in price between tpft and fc isn't that much then I'd definitely go with the fc.

If the worst happens, you don't *have* to claim but the option is there. Remember it's not just the bike, there's things like recovery and storage that can rack up the costs you're liable for if you have an accident. Or even if you're not the one at fault being fully comp you've got more chance of being back on the road quickly, either via repairs, courtesy bike or a payout while the case drags on. If you have a 50/50 you're gonna have a claim against you anyway so you may as well get your vehicle fixed / paid for too.

I had a ding in the car last year and cos I was fully comp my car was fixed straight away, I paid the excess to the repairers and then let the arguing sort out who was actually footing the bill (which took about 5 months to resolve). It went 50/50 in the end so I got half the excess back.
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PostPosted: 12:06 - 22 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get fully comp. I'd still have a ZZR (or a payout for one anyway) if I'dve upgraded from TPF&T.

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PostPosted: 12:15 - 22 Sep 2008    Post subject: Re: level of cover Reply with quote

With a bike worth that, I'd only be claiming for damage to the bike if you damaged another vehicle and it's your fault; at which point there's already a claim against you.

Otherwise, I'd say go TPO if it's cheaper.
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PostPosted: 12:21 - 22 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

On the CBR / ZX6 quote I would certainly pay the extra for FC rather than TPFT.

While it may often not be worth claiming for damage you have caused to your vehicle due to the loss of no claims, etc, if the incident involves someone else then if you claim as well you are not losing any extra no claims.

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PostPosted: 12:39 - 22 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:

I could afford to buy a new bike if i bin it. But live in a iffy area.
>3rd party fire and theft.

I cant afford to buy a new bike at all....
>Fully comp.

And I may well have replied in the other thread.
More like "I can afford a new bike, but would rather live in the belief that it'll be easier and quicker to do it through insurance.

Especially with total loss claims from theft they often cancel the insurance, along with all the other factors, you can end up paying out more money in the long term.
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 22 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can afford it go for Fully Comp every time Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:31 - 22 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

someone mentioned storage and recovery charges and vehicle hire etc..

I had my old NS125 third party only (would take FT as it was not stored in a garage). When I was hit by a takeway driver my insurance ebike organised everything and with 5 days I had a hire bike.

I had TFPF when my kh125 was stolen and never paid any recovery or storage fees.

I think fully comp would be very nice for piece of mind, just not sure yet. Probably have a better idea when I actually purchase a bike. Theft is my main concern.

On the note of breakdown cover I'm with ADAC anyway.
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PostPosted: 13:32 - 22 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

That comp price looks pretty steep for the Cat tbh. I got quoted a similar figure for tpft on my Cat and the fc came in at £210 with a £250 excess. Not overly sure on your age and the area you live in, but try BikeTeam for a quote. Thumbs Up

Mal

Getting back to your original question, personally I'd go for comp over tpft everytime if I can afford it.
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PostPosted: 13:34 - 22 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

c-m wrote:
I had my old NS125 third party only (would take FT as it was not stored in a garage). When I was hit by a takeway driver my insurance ebike organised everything and with 5 days I had a hire bike.


Surprised as that is not normally part of a basic third part / tpft policy. Often with basic 3rd party if you have a claim against someone else it is up to you to do it all.

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PostPosted: 13:42 - 22 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suspect what they did is sold his case off to a no-win no-fee solictor, who then get it sorted out, claiming costs from the other side.
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PostPosted: 13:54 - 22 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
I suspect what they did is sold his case off to a no-win no-fee solictor, who then get it sorted out, claiming costs from the other side.


Maybe, but the level of cover he had would conventionally have got a reply from them of "what do you want us to do about it" it he had rung up his insurer to start off a claim.

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PostPosted: 14:47 - 22 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've only looked at one broker so far. I was thinking that i'd go back to ebike as had my gpz and all my other bikes insured with them, but they wanted £1152 for a ZX6r fully comp, half that for 3rd party only.

I'm 27 in Norwich with a theft claim £400 and no fault claim or £400 with personal injury of £2200. Had my full license since feb, rode on a provisional before that.

Interestingly, i've ridden on the right hand side more than i have on the left. 5200miles on my tour compared to around 4500miles in the UK

I think when I previously claimed I called e-bike who took all my details then someone else actaully dealt with bike hire and my legal cover kicked in for the personal injury etc.. It was all seemless though.

Definately going to look into the Cat, FJ1200 with a little more zest.
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PostPosted: 15:31 - 22 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have had 2 smashes in the last year neither of which where my fault, both times I had a hire bike within days of reporting it, this was done through BLD. You only get the hire bike for 3 months though if you case isn't resolved they take it away. I still do not have my Speed Four back the crash was last september no pay out nothing. Hopefully the TDM crash will be quicker to sort, and I will get it back soon but I'm not holdin my breath at least all I need to do is straighten the forks and wheel to get the TDM rideable. The speed four was a little bit more worse for wear.
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PostPosted: 17:26 - 22 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
More like "I can afford a new bike, but would rather live in the belief that it'll be easier and quicker to do it through insurance.

Especially with total loss claims from theft they often cancel the insurance, along with all the other factors, you can end up paying out more money in the long term.


Well like many things in life they don't come without payback.

Ins co's are not charities and are there to make money. But you pay them, so should you need to claim, then you do so.
I would not look at claiming for a bike that was stolen and think, its not worth the claim as i may end up paying more in the next 10 years, compared to what i will get.
If you can't afford to get a new bike by raiding your own piggy bank, what are you going to do.... They have taken you cash, so you use them to do what you paid them for.
Otherwise we all may as well run around uninsured.
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