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PostPosted: 07:50 - 26 Sep 2008    Post subject: Islamic scum. Reply with quote

Subject: Denmark - Problem/Solution - A scary read
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> Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 10:24 AM
>

>
> Salute the Danish Flag - It's a Symbol of Western
> Freedom
>
> by Susan MacAllen
>

>
> In 1978-9 I was living and studying in Denmark . But in
> 1978 - even in
> Copenhagen , one didn't see Muslim immigrants.
>
>
>
> The Danish population embraced visitors, celebrated the
> exotic, went out
> of its way to protect each of its citizens. It was proud of
> its new
> brand of socialist liberalism one in development since the
> conservatives
> had lost power in 1929 - a system where no worker had to
> struggle to
> survive, where one ultimately could count upon the state as
> in, perhaps,
> no other western nation at the time.
>
>
>
> The rest of Europe saw the Scandinavians as free-thinking,
> progressive
> and infinitely generous in their welfare policies. Denmark
> boasted low
> crime rates, devotion to the environment, a superior
> educational system
> and a history of humanitarianism.
>
>
>
> Denmark was also most generous in its immigration policies
> - it offered
> the best welcome in Europe to the new immigrant: generous
> welfare
> payments from first arrival plus additional perks in
> transportation,
> housing and education. It was determined to set a world
> example for
> inclusiveness and multiculturalism.
>
>
>
> How could it have predicted that one day in 2005 a series
> of political
> cartoons in a newspaper would spark violence that would
> leave dozens
> dead in the streets -all because its commitment to
> multiculturalism
> would come back to bite?
>
>
>
> By the 1990's the growing urban Muslim population was
> obvious - and its
> unwillingness to integrate into Danish society was obvious.
>
>
>
> Years of immigrants had settled into Muslim-exclusive
> enclaves.. As the
> Muslim leadership became more vocal about what they
> considered the
> decadence of Denmark 's liberal way of life, the Danes
> - once so
> welcoming - began to feel slighted. Many Danes had begun to
> see Islam as
> incompatible with their long-standing values: belief in
> personal liberty
> and free speech, in equality for women, in tolerance for
> other ethnic
> groups, and a deep pride in Danish heritage and history.
>
>
>
> The New York Post in 2002 ran an article by Daniel Pipes
> and Lars
> Hedegaard, in which they forecasted accurately that the
> growing
> immigrant problem in Denmark would explode In the article
> they
> reported:
>
>
>
> 'Muslim immigrants constitute 5 percent of the
> population but consume
> upwards of 40 percent of the welfare spending.'
> 'Muslims are only 4
> percent of Denmark's 5.4 million people but make up a
> majority of the
> country's convicted rapists, an especially combustible
> issue given that
> practically all the female victims are non-Muslim. Similar,
> if lesser,
> disproportions are found in other crimes.'
>
>
>
> 'Over time, as Muslim immigrants increase in numbers,
> they wish less to mix with the indigenous population.
>
>
>
> A recent survey finds that only 5 percent of young Muslim
> immigrants
> would readily marry a Dane.' 'Forced marriages -
> promising a newborn
> daughter in Denmark to a male cousin in the home country,
> then
> compelling her to marry him, sometimes on pain of death -
> is one
> problem'
>
>
>
> 'Muslim leaders openly declare their goal of
> introducing Islamic law
> once Denmark 's Muslim population grows large enough -
> a
> not-that-remote prospect. If present trends persist, one
> sociologist
> estimates, every third inhabitant of Denmark in 40 years
> will be
> Muslim.'
>
>
>
> It is easy to understand why a growing number of Danes
> would feel that
> Muslim immigrants show little respect for Danish values and
> laws.
>
>
>
> An example is the phenomenon common to other European
> countries and the
> US : some Muslims in Denmark who opted to leave the Muslim
> faith have
> been murdered in the name of Islam, while others hide in
> fear for their
> lives. Jews are also threatened and harassed openly by
> Muslim leaders in
> Denmark , a country where once Christian citizens worked to
> smuggle out
> nearly all of their 7,000 Jews by night to Sweden - before
> the Nazis
> could invade. I think of my Danish friend Elsa - who as a
> teenager had
> dreaded crossing the street to the bakery every morning
> under the eyes
> of occupying Nazi soldiers - and I wonder what she would
> say today.
>
>
>
> In 2001, Denmark elected the most conservative government
> in some 70
> years - one that had some decidedly non-generous ideas
> about liberal
> unfettered immigration. Today Denmark has the strictest
> immigration
> policies in Europe . ( Its effort to protect itself has
> been met with
> accusations of 'racism' by liberal media across
> Europe - even as other
> governments struggle to right the social problems wrought
> by years of
> too-lax immigration.)
>
>
>
> If you wish to become Danish, you must attend three years
> of language
> classes. You must pass a test on Denmark 's history,
> culture, and a
> Danish language test.
>
>
>
> You must live in Denmark for 7 years before applying for
> citizenship.
> You must demonstrate an intent to work, and have a job
> waiting. If you
> wish to bring a spouse into Denmark , you must both be
> over 24 years of
> age, and you won't find it so easy any more to move
> your friends and
> family to Denmark with you.
>
>
>
> You will not be allowed to build a mosque in Copenhagen .
> Although your
> children have a choice of some 30 Arabic culture and
> language schools in
> Denmark , they will be strongly encouraged to assimilate to
> Danish
> society in ways that past immigrants weren't.
>
>
>
> In 2006, the Danish minister for employment, Claus Hjort
> Frederiksen,
> spoke publicly of the burden of Muslim immigrants on the
> Danish welfare
> system, and it was horrifying: the government's welfare
> committee had
> calculated that if immigration from Third World countries
> were blocked,
> 75 percent of the cuts needed to sustain the huge welfare
> system in
> coming decades would be unnecessary. In other words, the
> welfare system
> as it existed was being exploited by immigrants to the
> point of
> eventually bankrupting the government. 'We are simply
> forced to adopt a
> new policy on immigration.
>
>
>
> The calculations of the welfare committee are terrifying
> and show how
> unsuccessful the integration of immigrants has been up to
> now,' he said.
>
>
>
> A large thorn in the side of Denmark 's imams is the
> Minister of
> Immigration and Integration, Rikke Hvilshoj. She makes no
> bones about
> the new policy toward immigration, 'The number of
> foreigners coming to
> the country makes a difference,' Hvilshoj says,
> 'There is an inverse
> correlation between how many come here and how well we can
> receive the
> foreigners that come.' And on Muslim immigrants needing
> to demonstrate a
> willingness to blend in, 'In my view, Denmark should be
> a country with
> room for different culture s and religions. Some values,
> however, are
> more important than others. We refuse to question
> democracy, equal
> rights, and freedom of speech.'
>
>
>
> Hvilshoj has paid a price for her show of backbone. Perhaps
> to test her
> resolve, the leading radical imam in Denmark , Ahmed Abdel
> Rahman Abu
> Laban, demanded that the government pay blood money to the
> family of a
> Muslim who was murdered in a suburb of Copenhagen , stating
> that the
> family's thirst for revenge could be thwarted for
> money. When Hvilshoj
> dismissed his demand, he argued that in Muslim culture the
> payment of
> retribution money was common, to which Hvilshoj replied
> that what is
> done in a Muslim country is not necessarily what is done in
> Denmark. The
> Muslim reply came soon after: her house was torched while
> she, her
> husband and children slept All m anaged to escape unharmed,
> but she and
> her family were moved to a secret location and she and
> other ministers
> were assigned bodyguards for the first time - in a country
> where such
> murderous violence was once so scarce.
>
>
>
> Her government has slid to the right, and her borders have
> tightened.
> Many believe that what happens in the next decade will
> determine whether
> Denmark survives as a bastion of good living, humane
> thinking and social
> responsibility, or whether it becomes a nation at civil war
> with
> supporters of Sharia law.
>
>
>
> And meanwhile, Americans clamor for stricter immigration
> policies, and
> demand an end to state welfare programs that allow many
> immigrants to
> live on the public dole. As we in America look at the
> enclaves of
> Muslims and Illegal Hispanics amongst us, and see those who
> enter our
> shores too easily, dare live on our taxes, yet refuse to
> embrace our
> culture, respect our traditions, participate in our legal
> system, obey
> our laws, speak our language, appreciate our history. We
> would do well
> to look to Denmark , and say a prayer for her future and
> for our own.
>
>
>
> If you agree with this article, then please pass it on...
>
> It will only get worse before it gets better
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 26 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

The phrase "Divide and Conquer" comes to mind.


By the way, god-awful formatting Smile
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PostPosted: 11:22 - 26 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColdInsomnia wrote:
The phrase "Divide and Conquer" comes to mind.

Shows how much I know - I was going for the phrase 'Cut 'n Paste'.
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 26 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nip & Tucked from an email, I couldn't be arsed tidying it up, considering it's perfectly readable as-is.

But it's pretty clear how these sub-human poncing raping filth operate. Islam, a religion and culture for animals.
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PostPosted: 11:33 - 26 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meh, what goes around comes around have a look at the Dane Law for division of a kingdom Razz
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PostPosted: 11:36 - 26 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I think its important to make an implacable stance against hardline muslim beliefs, I don't think that its helpful to tar all with the same brush as this excerpt does.

What she reports is bad for sure, but its a tiny majority of muslims that extol those views. If anything, it ends up looking like the two sides of the debate butting heads in paranoid hysteria.

To be honest, its all very well having an open and welcoming society, I'm all for it. As long as its backed up with proper immigration controls, or did they think having a reputation of giving poor people money wouldn't attract more poor people??

Not particularly helpful really...

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PostPosted: 11:38 - 26 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

pa_broon74 wrote:
While I think its important to make an implacable stance against hardline muslim beliefs, I don't think that its helpful to tar all with the same brush as this excerpt does.

What she reports is bad for sure, but its a tiny majority of muslims that extol those views. If anything, it ends up looking like the two sides of the debate butting heads in paranoid hysteria.

To be honest, its all very well having an open and welcoming society, I'm all for it. As long as its backed up with proper immigration controls, or did they think having a reputation of giving poor people money wouldn't attract more poor people??

Not particularly helpful really...

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Unfortunately you have to tar them all with the same brush, otherwise you end up holding your fire while the enemy advance and take your positions while hiding behind a line of women and children.
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PostPosted: 11:44 - 26 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always been something of a fan of the Danes and their views. It saddens me to see what is happening to a forward thinking and generous society.

Dog eat dog world I guess. Nice guys finish last.
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 26 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

hetzer wrote:
Unfortunately you have to tar them all with the same brush, otherwise you end up holding your fire while the enemy advance and take your positions while hiding behind a line of women and children.


I disagree, what were talking about here is the radicalisation of a generation of muslim youths. Its been done in a number of ways not limited to: radical Imam's 'interpreting' the Koran, by the Western press vilifying the muslim faith and by Western governments actions in Muslim countries.

By tarring them all with the same brush (by what ever methods, chain emails or screaming headlines,) you just add to that radicalisation.

Its hard not to leap with both feet to the author's point of view after reading the text, but if we're to get along which we surely must, we need to take a step back and weigh up the other side of the argument, or did you think current Western policy was working well with the Muslim faith? Wink

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PostPosted: 12:50 - 26 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 12:53 - 26 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

tatters wrote:
Laughing great ad placement.


Heh!

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PostPosted: 12:55 - 26 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

pa_broon74 wrote:
hetzer wrote:
Unfortunately you have to tar them all with the same brush, otherwise you end up holding your fire while the enemy advance and take your positions while hiding behind a line of women and children.


I disagree, what were talking about here is the radicalisation of a generation of muslim youths. Its been done in a number of ways not limited to: radical Imam's 'interpreting' the Koran, by the Western press vilifying the muslim faith and by Western governments actions in Muslim countries.

By tarring them all with the same brush (by what ever methods, chain emails or screaming headlines,) you just add to that radicalisation.

Its hard not to leap with both feet to the author's point of view after reading the text, but if we're to get along which we surely must, we need to take a step back and weigh up the other side of the argument, or did you think current Western policy was working well with the Muslim faith? Wink

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The Danes tried it the nice way. Enough said I think.
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PostPosted: 14:27 - 26 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a Protestant Country. Do we kick out all other faiths? Or do we not allow any other faiths to practise? No! we should be tolerant of all moderates.
It is the extremists that we need to sort out and unfortunately most would see yourself, Hetzer, as an extremist, in both your views and the language you use to express those views.
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 26 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skudd wrote:
This is a Protestant Country. Do we kick out all other faiths? Or do we not allow any other faiths to practise? No! we should be tolerant of all moderates.
It is the extremists that we need to sort out and unfortunately most would see yourself, Hetzer, as an extremist, in both your views and the language you use to express those views.


Yep, I'm an extremist good-guy.
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PostPosted: 14:40 - 26 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:

I'm an extremist good-guy.


Now that is a point to debate.
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 26 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

LeeR wrote:
Meh, what goes around comes around have a look at the Dane Law for division of a kingdom Razz


How ironic. Danelaw goes back some 1100-1200 years, exactly the same period that sharia law wishes to embrace.
If people are happy living a medieval life with it's accompanying barbarity then they are free to do so providing they remain in their sand-blown, fly ridden desert shithole; the rest of the world has moved on.

On a lighter note, I see from the front page of one of the tabloids that Muhammed Bakri ( https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4703541.stm) has a daughter who is a pole dancer. I imgine with glee the shame and anger this is causing the raghead cunt, I hope the Sun/Star/Sport get her on Page 3, this would surely put the tin hat on it Mr. Green


Even better would be her doing a porno film with a pig..........................
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 26 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nufkamp wrote:
LeeR wrote:
Meh, what goes around comes around have a look at the Dane Law for division of a kingdom Razz


How ironic. Danelaw goes back some 1100-1200 years, exactly the same period that sharia law wishes to embrace.
If people are happy living a medieval life with it's accompanying barbarity then they are free to do so providing they remain in their sand-blown, fly ridden desert shithole; the rest of the world has moved on.

On a lighter note, I see from the front page of one of the tabloids that Muhammed Bakri ( https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4703541.stm) has a daughter who is a pole dancer. I imgine with glee the shame and anger this is causing the raghead cunt, I hope the Sun/Star/Sport get her on Page 3, this would surely put the tin hat on it Mr. Green


Even better would be her doing a porno film with a pig..........................


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PostPosted: 15:05 - 26 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd sooner have a muslim for a neighbour than an anti-social chav family who vandalise peoples property for kicks.

My area used to be a nice Muslim area until some white scum moved in a couple of years ago.

Kick the whites out, is what I say. Send them back to their council estates, but of course the reason I have them, is they got kicked off two council estates.

Muslims are nice respectable people who bring up their kids well.

I find that most of the people who hate muslims, have never really lived near any, and just get their hate views from things they hear, or pub chat.
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PostPosted: 15:22 - 26 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aye, aye Colin, I hear you on that.
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 26 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
I'd sooner have a muslim for a neighbour than an anti-social chav family who vandalise peoples property for kicks.

My area used to be a nice Muslim area until some white scum moved in a couple of years ago.

Kick the whites out, is what I say. Send them back to their council estates, but of course the reason I have them, is they got kicked off two council estates.

Muslims are nice respectable people who bring up their kids well.

I find that most of the people who hate muslims, have never really lived near any, and just get their hate views from things they hear, or pub chat.


A very naive point of view, and one of the reasons that muslims get away with what they do.
As their numbers increase, so do their demands:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8789NMWZ9EI
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 26 Sep 2008    Post subject: its a 2 sided coin Reply with quote

we all know its the deeply fundamentalist muslims who are the problem, this in turn makes life difficult for the honest good muslims who are tarred with the same brush and so get grief from the non muslims and the fundamentalists who accuse them of not being muslim enough.

The governments are the people we should be focusing our anger on, they are the ones who make it easy for all the scum, whether home grown or foriegn to wreak havoc on our societies.

Round up our own lazy benefit claiming arseholes and force them to do the work that we need imigrant workers to do ie farm work etc.

Until we break the cycle of benefit upbringing we cant change it, likewise, make the imigration rules tougher to weed out the scum.

our government have no balls and those that do get criticised, go figure, not difficult to see what our future holds Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 26 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
I'd sooner have a muslim for a neighbour than an anti-social chav family who vandalise peoples property for kicks.

My area used to be a nice Muslim area until some white scum moved in a couple of years ago.

Kick the whites out, is what I say. Send them back to their council estates, but of course the reason I have them, is they got kicked off two council estates.

Muslims are nice respectable people who bring up their kids well.

I find that most of the people who hate muslims, have never really lived near any, and just get their hate views from things they hear, or pub chat.


Islamists I said, not Muslims. Subtle difference?
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 26 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didge wrote:

A very naive point of view, and one of the reasons that muslims get away with what they do.
As their numbers increase, so do their demands:-


No different from any other group.

Hetzer is far closer to the truth than you - Islamists are the main problem, followed by those in this country who would support them over their allegiance to the UK and its traditions.

I work with several Muslim colleagues who are more cynical of radical Islam, more intelligent and more pleasant than the overwhelming majority of members on BCF.

Colin is correct that large swathes of the British Muslim community are nothing but respectable.
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PostPosted: 17:42 - 26 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
colin1 wrote:
I'd sooner have a muslim for a neighbour than an anti-social chav family who vandalise peoples property for kicks.

My area used to be a nice Muslim area until some white scum moved in a couple of years ago.

Kick the whites out, is what I say. Send them back to their council estates, but of course the reason I have them, is they got kicked off two council estates.

Muslims are nice respectable people who bring up their kids well.

I find that most of the people who hate muslims, have never really lived near any, and just get their hate views from things they hear, or pub chat.


Islamists I said, not Muslims. Subtle difference?


you said islamic scum

islam is the religion of muslims, in the same way that christianity is the religion of christians

There are some Muslims who take more of a socialist worker party approach to their religion, but to be fair at a lot of things that they think are wrong about western society, I would agree with to some extent.

I certainly dont think that Muslims should be expected to intergrate and lose their values.
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PostPosted: 17:47 - 26 Sep 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:

I certainly dont think that Muslims should be expected to intergrate and lose their values.


Neither should we be expected to lose ours to accomodate theirs. When in Rome, etc.....
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