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Faldo
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 09 Oct 2008    Post subject: 10 sec quarters ....... On a Scootay ? Reply with quote

As I pulled up to the pub last night I saw a scooter outside with a few people gathered round it. As I got closer I noticed a bottle on top of the scooter which looked like a NOS bottle.

It was! We got speaking to the owner and he says it's cost £8000 to build, special forks, brakes etc. The crank was £500, the piston £400 etc etc.

I think he said it was 230cc and the NOS jets were 10BHP.

But he said it runs 10 second quarters. Is that possible ?

My bike is probably 110 rwhp, and according to MCN does 11.2 sec quarters with 134mph terminal. So if this scoot does 10 sec quarters surely the terminal velocity is going to be more than 134mph ?

The reason I ask is that the guy who owned it didn't sound like a bull shitter, and seemed to know what he was on about. He was sort of late 40s early 50s, so not a pedboi.

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PostPosted: 19:00 - 09 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could be true but sounds far fetched. From my limited knowledge and what Ive picked up from some of the sprinters on the hayabusa forum a 1300cc hayabusa with a turbo running something like 330 rwp can manage 10 seconds or below at something like 150-160mph. Im not sure what the torque figure there is but I imagine its pretty good.

Im not saying the scooter couldnt do it but it would need an amazing amount of power, a good rider, very strange gearing to hit the required speed and god knows what else!!
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PostPosted: 19:04 - 09 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've asked about for more details for ya. From what I know, PM tuning sprinter hits 11.90 secs 1/4 mile and team dwarf racing hits 12.1 secs 1/4 mile at around 119mph.

Not sure what engine he is running. Could be the fabrizi 210cc engine with serious mods?

I'll get back to this when I've found out.
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PostPosted: 19:09 - 09 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm no expert, but surely keeping the front end down on a scoot with that sort of performance would be nigh impossible?
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PostPosted: 19:11 - 09 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unlikely with that bodywork and those tyres according to the OH.

He says no matter what size the engine is with a riding position like that and all the bodywork on there's no chance of less than 12 without at the very least wheelie bars, it will just flip when it gets to about 85-90 if it hasn't already.
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PostPosted: 19:11 - 09 Oct 2008    Post subject: Re: 10 sec quarters ....... On a Scootay ? Reply with quote

I know that the RD400cc can be made to get decently sub-ten second times.

Standing quarter times and top speeds aren't directly linked; part of it is where your bike is going faster.

My KR1S did a 12.8 standing quarter with a dodgy powervalve; only did three runs so could have got it down more I'm sure. So, as that's a 250cc not intended for it, sure it's reasonable to get a 230cc with NOS set up for drag racing to be decently lower.
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 09 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

I would say very unlikely, but not beyond the bounds of possibility.

Looking at the Straightliners results the scooters are managing about 13 seconds.

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PostPosted: 19:16 - 09 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah Dawf and pm tuning don't even get this and they specially made sprinter scooters. They look nothing like that style of scooter. But then again they might not use NOS.
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 09 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

wouldnt it snap or twist the frame on take off?
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 09 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

_steve_ wrote:
wouldnt it snap or twist the frame on take off?


Na. Most common problem is the crankcases snapping. He has uprated the rear shock and bought pm tunings crankcase support (as seen by his rear wheel (gold) )

He used to be a member of scootershack:

tErr0 wrote:
https://www.scootershack.co.uk/johnnyaikensride.html Pm him and ask?




https://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9548/97641081li5.jpg

https://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3015/40569539vo9.jpg

https://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3875/99648609nd1.jpg

https://img142.imageshack.us/img142/1134/48474178ke8.jpg


The last lot of pics he sent me.


Last specs he said was a rebored and sleeved barrel to take a KX250 piston and a stroker crank.

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PostPosted: 19:27 - 09 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

As has been said, I can't see something with that wheelbase, and those aerodynamics doing a 10s run. Even with a nos bottle for a fueltank.

I did a 12.44 on my Bandit, and that had 80bhp and better aerodynamics. And I don't think that could go any faster with someone with my weight on it.

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PostPosted: 20:09 - 09 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wouldn't this scoot be all over the auto scoot tuning forums, as he has found more cc than has ever been done before with the 180 Drag/Runner motor?

It might have the power, but i can't see 10sec 1/4's from a std scoot body being possible. Most Runner 172/180's with some bolt on tuning stuff tend to lift the front wheel very easily, and the 30bhp+ seriously tuned one's are very hard to keep down.
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PostPosted: 20:19 - 09 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Possible he's got a 'bolt on' drag bar?
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 09 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jefr0-CBR6 wrote:
_steve_ wrote:
wouldnt it snap or twist the frame on take off?


Na. Most common problem is the crankcases snapping. He has uprated the rear shock and bought pm tunings crankcase support (as seen by his rear wheel (gold) )

He used to be a member of scootershack:

tErr0 wrote:
https://www.scootershack.co.uk/johnnyaikensride.html Pm him and ask?




https://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9548/97641081li5.jpg


thats the exhaust bracket mate, not a crack case support.
i agree with what many have stated, with standerd body work etc it wont do under 10secs, my scoot is a handfull to keep the front down, and so is the guy terro's who owns the scooter shack site, and neither his or my bike is any where near the state of tune this guys runners ment to be.
stevo as b4 wrote:
Wouldn't this scoot be all over the auto scoot tuning forums, as he has found more cc than has ever been done before with the 180 Drag/Runner motor?

It might have the power, but i can't see 10sec 1/4's from a std scoot body being possible. Most Runner 172/180's with some bolt on tuning stuff tend to lift the front wheel very easily, and the 30bhp+ seriously tuned one's are very hard to keep down.


it wouldnt be running a 172 kit (or the standard 180 as it has worst compresion then the 172), and all the bolt on's in the world wont make your bike do a 1/4 in less then 10. you need a spriter
( high rear end, low front stops the wheel coming up),stupid amounts of porting, huge carb and inlet, nos if you want, and get rid of all the unnecessary plastics and what ever else is not needed for the bike to ride in a stright line for 11+ seconds
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PostPosted: 21:30 - 09 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^

Look in the first pic mate, that is the PM crankcase support. I'm not stupid lol I can tell the difference between a exhaust bracket and a crankcase support. The pictures I got of it are from last year and as you can see most bits have changed.
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 10 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

ohhhhh Embarassed ,my bad, i didnt see what pic you was on about
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PostPosted: 16:53 - 10 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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thats the exhaust bracket mate, not a crack case support.
i agree with what many have stated, with standerd body work etc it wont do under 10secs, my scoot is a handfull to keep the front down, and so is the guy terro's who owns the scooter shack site, and neither his or my bike is any where near the state of tune this guys runners ment to be.


3 of us have joint ownership on that site Laughing

anyway he must have a vid or a print out if the performance is genuine surely? the first thing you'd do is get a vid on youtube...
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 10 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

i know this benn Wink just could be bothered to mention you, minor and terros name
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PostPosted: 06:50 - 11 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like fast scooters, but anyone who has spent £8000 on a scooter, is going to be tempted to exaggerate how fast it is, especially when talking with someone who is into motorbikes.

I had a 180 2 stroke gilera runner, and if you cracked the throttle open hard, and werent leaning forward, the front would come up.

He's using the same frame and wheelbase, so he is going to struggle getting all the power down and keeping the wheel down initially. So chances are he can only use the nos a bit into the run, if its real.

If he does have a wheelie bar, maybe things are easier, but runners are very easy to flip.

Id quite like to have a go on it though Smile

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PostPosted: 08:11 - 11 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

i dont see how its possible to spend 8grand on a scoot Surprised, i think i might have to try a mock price up and see whats the highest figure it get
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PostPosted: 08:26 - 11 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

what a total waste of effort imo.

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PostPosted: 08:35 - 11 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

10 seconds absolute horsepiss i reckon

And even if it does its still a scooter Rolling Eyes (No offence)
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PostPosted: 09:48 - 11 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sub 12, maybe.
Sub 10 Laughing
Neither on that machine though, is there not a better place to mount the Nox than on the shopping rack?
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PostPosted: 10:41 - 11 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is what a sub 11 running scooter looks like:

https://www.pmtuning.co.uk/Pro-sprint-120806.htm
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 11 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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