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petemell
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PostPosted: 14:52 - 17 Oct 2008    Post subject: Using a non UK spec helmet in the UK. What could happen? Reply with quote

I am thinking of buying a Simpson Fury crash helmet. These are only on sale in USA and they can be bought mail order for about $350 including postage.

But does anybody know what the implications could be of using an helmet with no BS mark on the visor or sticker on the helmet? It is fully road legal in America and is carbon, kevlar, fibreglass in comes in black, white or grey.

It would only cost just over £200 including import duty, they are a bargain, and it doesn't look much different to any other helmet to me. Does anybody know if you can get them DOT inspected to make them propper legal.

Or is it just like noisy exhausts, mini indicators and loony lights, everyone uses them but they shouldn't.
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PostPosted: 15:17 - 17 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure if it would even be illegal. IIRC there's something in the regs to the effect that if the helmet by nature of its design, construction, materials and so on, could reasonably be expected to provide a similar level of protection to one with BS or ECE approval then you're OK. That lid would most likely fall into that category, especially given that it's got American approval.

In any case even if you did get caught and fined it would only be £30 - the same as for having no helmet at all.
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PostPosted: 15:18 - 17 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Suspect that technically it would be the same offence as not wearing a helmet at all. And some chance of being done for the visor as well.

That said I used an Aus spec helmet on the road for several years.

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PostPosted: 15:23 - 17 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Found this on the Department for Transport website:

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Alternatively, you can wear other types of helmet which could reasonably be expected to give a similar, or greater, level of protection in an accident as British Standard BS 6658:1985 or UN ECE Regulation 22.05. However, you should seek confirmation from the supplier that the helmet does offer at least a similar level of protection. Check with your insurer that your insurance is not invalidated by wearing a helmet that does not comply with a standard listed in the Regulations.


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PostPosted: 15:23 - 17 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

can I ask why you want to buy that model? just looks like most other helmets I see, if it's for the name then could you not buy an Arai etc. and use some genuine Simpson decals on it.

I've not been pulled with my 2 yet, cops have seen them but never said anything, they both have gold ACU badges on the back, a shop gave me 2 to put on them ( I tell a lie, I knicked a book of them Laughing )

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PostPosted: 15:48 - 17 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bet the police would not even notice the lid. Only time it might come into play would be if you had a accident, and you recived head injuries. If the other parties ins co looked into it it could affect you payout.
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 17 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

lllN30lll wrote:
can I ask why you want to buy that model? just looks like most other helmets I see, if it's for the name then could you not buy an Arai etc. and use some genuine Simpson decals on it.

I've not been pulled with my 2 yet, cops have seen them but never said anything, they both have gold ACU badges on the back, a shop gave me 2 to put on them ( I tell a lie, I knicked a book of them Laughing )

I fancy one of these because I like the Bandit, it is a unique helmet but the Fury is more standard looking.
I currently have a Bell, the wind noise is horrendous. I have read some poor comments about Arai Condors on here, it was going to be a Shoei Raid, AGV or Roof Diversion I went for.

I think I will get one, not for the name, but because it seems comparably just as good or better in value, looks and build quality than others in this price range.

Thanks for reminding me about the gold ACU badge, good idea.
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PostPosted: 16:21 - 17 Oct 2008    Post subject: Re: Using a non UK spec helmet in the UK. What could happen? Reply with quote

LOL at:

petemell wrote:
It is fully road legal in America
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PostPosted: 17:49 - 17 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'd be very unlucky to encounter problems on the road. You wouldn't be able to use it on a track.

Bear in mind that your insurance may pay out less for any head injuries you sustained in an accident and the helmet was found to not be of UK spec. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 17 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

RXS100_Chris wrote:
Found this on the Department for Transport website:

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Alternatively, you can wear other types of helmet which could reasonably be expected to give a similar, or greater, level of protection in an accident as British Standard BS 6658:1985 or UN ECE Regulation 22.05. However, you should seek confirmation from the supplier that the helmet does offer at least a similar level of protection. Check with your insurer that your insurance is not invalidated by wearing a helmet that does not comply with a standard listed in the Regulations.


Located here.


Good find. Hopfully it means I can have a Ghostrider

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<edit> Just discovered the V1 has ECE 22.05 approval - so it's legal anyway. I needs to find me a Costco...
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PostPosted: 21:44 - 17 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good luck if it doesn't fit with sending it back. Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 17 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finglonga wrote:
Good luck if it doesn't fit with sending it back. Mr. Green

Thanks for that, I do need to check this out. I will need to try on a new Bandit just to confirm the size I need to order.

Simpson still use imperial sizes for their helmets so there may be a difference from the metric sizes used for UK spec helmets.
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PostPosted: 08:29 - 18 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

lllN30lll wrote:
can I ask why you want to buy that model?


Maybe he wants a Simpson lid that doesn't make him look like a cock? Razz
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