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PostPosted: 15:00 - 18 Oct 2008    Post subject: Stupid arsing insurance. Reply with quote

Yes, its another rant, but it reallly is starting to get on my wick.
These companies are taking fucking liberties, charging through the nose for something you have no choice but to have.

I've had my car licence 2, 1/2 years now, i'm 20 and the lowest i can get is £680tpft!!
This is on a shitty little <1ltr 3dr hatchback Mad

Whats annoying is i pay £210 to be on the other halfs policy fully comp on a 1.4 04 206.

Made even more annoying is the fact i already pay stupid money on bike insurance.

Takes the piss, £1800 a year on insurance, fucking ridiculous.
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PostPosted: 15:09 - 18 Oct 2008    Post subject: Re: Stupid arsing insurance. Reply with quote

vee wrote:
Made even more annoying is the fact i already pay stupid money on bike insurance.


Well, that's your own fault really, isn't it. What do you expect for the highest insurance category bike. Laughing

Your car insurance will drop when you hit 21/23.
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PostPosted: 15:16 - 18 Oct 2008    Post subject: Re: Stupid arsing insurance. Reply with quote

instigator wrote:
vee wrote:
Made even more annoying is the fact i already pay stupid money on bike insurance.


Well, that's your own fault really, isn't it. What do you expect for the highest insurance category bike. Laughing

Your car insurance will drop when you hit 21/23.



Laughing Yeah i know that bits fair enough.

Still the car is a complete joke - the bike has a bigger engine than it Laughing, probably going to have to go down the pay as you go route till 21.
Surely you agree nigh on a grand in most cases is far too steep?
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 18 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you tried insuring your car with either the missus as the main driver and you as a named driver, or adding her as a named driver. It's what I did when I was younger and it reduced my premium.
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PostPosted: 21:56 - 18 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Becoming 21 or 23 (don't you mean 25) won't make bugger all difference, each year it brings it down a tiny bit, along with each years no claims, I certainly didn't notice any drops, only rises when I hit 21. 25 i'll find out if it helps come renewal time.

If you can afford to replace the car try getting quotes on something bigger, small and cheap hatches are favoured by new, incompetant or irregular drivers so are often more expensive to insure than larger cars. Check your policy mileage too, it makes a massive difference, underestimate rather than overestimate it, remember if you exceed your mileage, you are still insured by law, they might just be a bit awkward come claim time, though I imagine more with fully comp claims.

And as for having a ZX12-R at 20, well to expect a reasonable insurance premium on that you have to be fairly insane.
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PostPosted: 00:20 - 19 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is a absolte fucking joke mate, I cn get an R6 insured for £600, yet a 1.1 corsa costs £2K. Check in Miscs thread, my qoting for a MR2 tonight was >4K, fcking robbing twats. How the fck am I sposed to get a car an earn NCB at that rate? NS was only £220ish to insure, al this is TPO as well. Least you can get insurance on the OH's car, she can drive. Crying or Very sad Laughing

Argh, does my fucing head in. Mght try quoting for a bigger car though, 3Litre V6......... Twisted Evil Not that I hold any hope out, what a set of absolute robbing fucking twats. I'm off to go cry like a stressed little emo girl. Neutral Thumbs Down

Another thing, I can't hire cars either cos im not old enough for some and not had my license over 12 months for others. Like that Whiz-go shitscheme, they reqire you to be 21 or over and held your license for 12+ months, I'm neither atm. Crying or Very sad Trust me to fall into the 'gap'.
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PostPosted: 08:21 - 19 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its always been the same for car insurance, when i first started driving a crappy 1990 vauxhall belmont 1.6 i paid 1200 pounds a year for the insurance! The car cost 600 pound Laughing Shocked
Other than growing a fanny and tits all you can do is look for the lowest group car and insure it for a few years just to get around.
The reason its so expensive is simply because you pose the most risk, when i passed my test i was driving like a twat most of the time Rolling Eyes Laughing Razz
Either way your gonna get raped on insurance until about 25 ish. Thumbs Down And whatever you do dont crash!! Laughing
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PostPosted: 08:34 - 19 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nb wrote:
Its always been the same for car insurance


Yep, when I was 17 (1985) it would have cost be at the very least £95 on the mainland for a basic group 1 car. Sounds cheap but remember pay has gone up about 5 fold since then. And I lived in Northern Ireland which mean my cheapest quote was £450. When I was 18 (1986) the mainland quotes had gone to £190 and the NI quotes to £650.

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PostPosted: 09:03 - 19 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ins should be taken over by the govt and provided at cost. It's a legal requirement, so these scumbag companies see it as a licence to print money. Criminal fvcking filth, the lot of them.
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PostPosted: 09:07 - 19 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

A quick question related to young drivers insurance.

My renewal is due on the 31st March 2009, however I turn 21 on the 29th April 2009. Will the drop be that significant when I hit 21 that it would be worth being car-less for a month? Or do insurance companies insure much more accurately, i.e i'll be 20 and 11 months old and they will insure accordingly?

Not too bothered as I have put money back on insurance and a few online quotes have put out £450 FC on a 2007 Citroen C1, so not too shabby.
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PostPosted: 10:06 - 19 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
Ins should be taken over by the govt and provided at cost. It's a legal requirement, so these scumbag companies see it as a licence to print money. Criminal fvcking filth, the lot of them.


Trust me, it is provided at cost.

There isnt a single motor insurer that makes money from their private motor account.

They make thir money in other markets.
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PostPosted: 10:21 - 19 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevoriv wrote:
Hetzer wrote:
Ins should be taken over by the govt and provided at cost. It's a legal requirement, so these scumbag companies see it as a licence to print money. Criminal fvcking filth, the lot of them.


Trust me, it is provided at cost.

There isnt a single motor insurer that makes money from their private motor account.

They make thir money in other markets.


Then how the fuck can they drop quotes by 1/3rd when you say you've found cheaper elsewhere? Don't make money on it? Sounds like bollocks.
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PostPosted: 10:25 - 19 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

In direct terms they probably don't make much. But they can then try and sell you other insurance, and also get the insurance premium in advance to invest (and if it is paid by direct debit then they still get it in advance from the credit company and probably get a fee as well).

The way they really do make money is from people renewing at full price, often far higher than they would quote for a new policy.

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PostPosted: 10:29 - 19 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
Ins should be taken over by the govt and provided at cost. It's a legal requirement, so these scumbag companies see it as a licence to print money. Criminal fvcking filth, the lot of them.


And you think the Gov running it will make it cheaper........

Sorry you have really lost the plot there. Laughing

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Then how the fuck can they drop quotes by 1/3rd when you say you've found cheaper elsewhere? Don't make money on it? Sounds like bollocks.


Because they hope like hell you don't have a crash and cost them money..... Just like supermarkets and loss leaders, they hope that you will say i got a good deal and get a friend or 2 to join and they will get charged the going rate.

Insurance is all about risk taking. Dare they risk losing your trade over what it might cost them for a claim. Some companies will take the risk, others won't.

As to car ins. Well find a car that is in a cheap ins group and run that for a few years to get your NCB, then get your boy racer.

Look for something that you don't see many of on the road and steer away from the 1.1 chav mobiles that all the muppets drive round in. Then you will find that cheaper option.

So a Ford Ka, don't have quite the same street cred, but dare to be diffrent and lead the crowd, rather than be a sheep and follow.
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PostPosted: 11:07 - 19 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:

Then how the fuck can they drop quotes by 1/3rd when you say you've found cheaper elsewhere? Don't make money on it? Sounds like bollocks.


In the recent 'soft' market conditions that we have been experiencing insurers are more concerned with piling business on so they want loads of new business and a high renewal retention ratio.

As the market begins to harden, as it has been doing for the last 6-12 months or so (exacerbated by the credit crunch), then profitability becomes more important so you will see premiums going up and renewals harder to 'blag' down over the coming few years.
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 19 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
Ins should be taken over by the govt and provided at cost. It's a legal requirement, so these scumbag companies see it as a licence to print money. Criminal fvcking filth, the lot of them.


While that system works well in some countries, I cannot for the life of me imagine our government taking it over and not stuffing us all in the ass with it.

It'd just be an extra item for the budget, motor insurance will rise by 2.5% etc... And then to fuel the whole carbon footprint/green machine we'd see endless hikes in the name of cutting car useage just like road tax is subject to.
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PostPosted: 23:14 - 19 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevoriv wrote:
Hetzer wrote:
Ins should be taken over by the govt and provided at cost. It's a legal requirement, so these scumbag companies see it as a licence to print money. Criminal fvcking filth, the lot of them.


Trust me, it is provided at cost.

There isnt a single motor insurer that makes money from their private motor account.

They make thir money in other markets.


Yeah, that's why they spend hundreds of thousands of pounds advertizing. Get real. Tut Tut
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PostPosted: 04:07 - 20 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has someone hacked Hetzer's account Shocked Is there a major problem with his keyboard to brain interface Confused

Never ever heard him say anything good about the Gov and here is is saying that they should take over ins.... Laughing
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PostPosted: 05:27 - 20 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

My dad joyfully reminds me that the first years insurance for him was £7.60. That was fully comp without shopping around he got it at the same shop as he bought the bike.
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 20 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:

Yeah, that's why they spend hundreds of thousands of pounds advertizing. Get real. Tut Tut


Speculate to accumulate, its all about branding.

If I was allowed I'd happily show you how little money my £20m fleet account is earning, it's less than zero.
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 20 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevoriv wrote:
Hetzer wrote:

Yeah, that's why they spend hundreds of thousands of pounds advertizing. Get real. Tut Tut


Speculate to accumulate, its all about branding.

If I was allowed I'd happily show you how little money my £20m fleet account is earning, it's less than zero.


If they didn't make any money they wouldn't be in business.
Simple as.
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PostPosted: 23:51 - 20 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevoriv wrote:
If I was allowed I'd happily show you how little money my £20m fleet account is earning, it's less than zero.


So is that considered to be breaking even? Wink Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 06:00 - 21 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to work for a well known motor insurance company. In what they'd class as a "good" year, 95% of the money brought in as premiums would be paid out on claims. On a bad year you'd be looking at closer to 110%. Insurers make little/no money from the premiums, it's their ancillary products (things like their legal cover, installment protection etc) that make them the money.

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PostPosted: 06:52 - 21 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

st3v3 wrote:
It is a absolte fucking joke mate, I cn get an R6 insured for £600, yet a 1.1 corsa costs £2K. Check in Miscs thread, my qoting for a MR2 tonight was >4K, fcking robbing twats. How the fck am I sposed to get a car an earn NCB at that rate? NS was only £220ish to insure, al this is TPO as well. Least you can get insurance on the OH's car, she can drive. Crying or Very sad Laughing


£4k? Shocked only cost me £189 FC this year to renew my mr2 (but then i'm an old fart now)

might be worth checking to see if a differant job title can bring it down Here

Also, if you know someone with More Than insurance it might be worth looking into putting it under them since they'll match the persons no claims on a second car. (not sure how it works in practice though) Maybe other insurance companies do it as well.
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iooi wrote:
Has someone hacked Hetzer's account Shocked Is there a major problem with his keyboard to brain interface Confused

Never ever heard him say anything good about the Gov and here is is saying that they should take over ins.... Laughing


I'd rather see the govt fvcking it up than a bunch of parasites minting money from it.
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