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PostPosted: 12:50 - 19 Oct 2008    Post subject: Your rights suppressed! anon phones = illegal Reply with quote

https://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article4969312.ece


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Government wants us to use passports to be able to buy mobile phones and register with the state your name and address....

Blimey they don't even do this in the PRC, looks like I'm going to leave Voda phone then since Vodaphone seems to be championing this idea...
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 19 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't see the issue, other than the passport thingy though I suppose that's until we all have ID cards. My T-mobile PAYG sim is registered to me and to my debit card for the convenience of paying on-line or by text.
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PostPosted: 13:20 - 19 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a bit crap when your like me and havnt updated your passport, how much is a passport anyway? I kinda long for the photo to look the same as it did a decade ago on my new one but thats not going to happen.

Actually thats going to be a pain if you want to buy a phone online
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PostPosted: 15:09 - 19 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 15:32 - 19 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

LeeR wrote:
Don't see the issue,


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Everyone who has a phone will have the information linked to their I.D which can effectively be used as a tracking device. You might aswell get a chip in your head and get it over with.

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PostPosted: 18:01 - 19 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm getting closer to the point where I get me an automatic rifle and some explosives and do a final-curtain on these cvnts.
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PostPosted: 18:44 - 19 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Everyone who has a phone will have the information linked to their I.D which can effectively be used as a tracking device. You might aswell get a chip in your head and get it over with.

Yeah, but if you've done nothing wrong... oh yeah. Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 19 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Phone buyers would have to present a passport or other official form of identification at the point of purchase"

Doesn't have to be a passport.

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PostPosted: 18:59 - 19 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah, but if you've done nothing wrong... oh yeah. Twisted Evil


You've only done nothing wrong until they say otherwise.
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PostPosted: 22:35 - 19 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
I'm getting closer to the point where I get me an automatic rifle and some explosives and do a final-curtain on these cvnts.


There's a group of people been discussing this for a while now. Join the queue Very Happy
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PostPosted: 02:45 - 20 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

How is this going to work, they've already said there's 72million phones in the UK, and a large majority are PAYG, if this only applies to new phones that's still probably 40million existing ones that are untraceable, and there's even more unregistered PAYG simcards lying around rather than phones, i've got 4 vodafone ones in my draw. And if it's just handsets that need registering why not buy one abroad to bypass it.

Just sounds like another half arsed idea to me that will do absolutely nothing to prevent crime and terrorism, just yet again increases what they can apparently legally subject every citizen to.

Give it a few years and we'll all have to give a fingerprint, retina scan and have our photograph taken at the Tesco checkout when we buy a cutlery set that includes a knife or a box of nails or any type of chemical that could have the remotest use to someone making a bomb.
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PostPosted: 08:49 - 20 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a bit silly really, what happens when you sell your pay as you go phone to a terrorist, then you'll get yourself arrested. Seems like another law to screw over honest citizens to me, but I guess it isn't unexpected.
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PostPosted: 09:05 - 20 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

"How is this going to work, they've already said there's 72million phones in the UK, and a large majority are PAYG, if this only applies to new phones that's still probably 40million existing ones that are untraceable" - Many people buy a new phone every year, just to keep up with trends. Also, have you wondered why there are adverts on the radio offering to buy back your mobile phone? Call me a cynic if you like.

"And if it's just handsets that need registering why not buy one abroad to bypass it" - Abroad, Where? perhaps Europe.
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 20 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't quite see how anyone's rights have been suppressed - even this alarmist story can't do better than ascribe the idea to an unnamed 'Whitehall Official'. No member of the government seems to be involved, and it certainly isn't law yet. The only people who have been named in the story are people whose jobs are reliant on public concern about privacy - although I'm sure none of them would stoop to exaggerating a political non-starter to give their position greater credibility........

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Also, have you wondered why there are adverts on the radio offering to buy back your mobile phone?


Not even for a second - it's obvious to even the dimmest child that used phones are worth far more as scrap or to be sold on to developing countries than the paltry sums you get for trading them in.
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PostPosted: 11:57 - 20 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

To Cestrian:

Criminals/Terrorists who know about this proposed registration of mobiles will not be upgrading their phones so they look trendy, they'll be keeping or buying existing unregistered phones, don't think they care whether it has a 5MP camera.

As for buying abroad, yes Europe, this is a UK idea so not applicable in Europe. Just like if you want a gun, go over to Europe and get one. Even china sell cheapo mobile phones that work on European bands.
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PostPosted: 12:06 - 20 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found some more information locally, via the This Is Gloucestershire website, I warn you the journalism is poor and the comments are typical of GCHQ employees. Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 13:34 - 20 Oct 2008    Post subject: Re: Your rights suppressed! anon phones = illegal Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
looks like I'm going to leave Voda phone then since Vodaphone seems to be championing this idea...


Don't panic mate, it seems that Voda are actually leading the opposition - https://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/20/payg_database/
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 21 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

SoND wrote:
LeeR wrote:
Yeah, but if you've done nothing wrong... oh yeah. Twisted Evil


You've only done nothing wrong until they say otherwise.


Its worse than this, its no longer a case of them proving you guilty but of you proving you're innocent.

We seem to have lost the idea of innocent until proven guilty. Oddly, presumably if you don't apply for an ID card (for example) you will be criminalising yourself so will be guilty... For not doing anything... Ummm... Confused

One side effect of this will be the ability to track a persons movements, that is the most sinister aspect of it, no surprise its being kept quiet.

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I'd like to tie that nazi cvnt Jaqui Smith naked to the back of a car by a length of rope and drag her 20 miles down a motorway at 10mph. Then piss on her. Every time I see her fat flapping cvnt face on TV I want to smash it in. Genetic sewage of the worst kind.
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PostPosted: 15:13 - 21 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

im having no id card and no more system Middle Finger Middle Finger Middle Finger Middle Finger kiss my fucking arse!
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PostPosted: 15:33 - 21 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
I'd like to tie that nazi cvnt Jaqui Smith naked to the back of a car by a length of rope and drag her 20 miles down a motorway at 10mph. Then piss on her. Every time I see her fat flapping cvnt face on TV I want to smash it in. Genetic sewage of the worst kind.


Quite... Wink

When ever I see politicians on the telly, what really annoys me about them is the relentless way they talk about these things. It makes no difference what arguments are put before them, they just seem to suspend good sense and logic and carry on regardless.

I don't think they should be drag-hanged though... Its not that offensive really... I'll settle for them losing their jobs.

Digressing slightly, I had a friend who when he used to drive his car gave the impression that he wasn't really paying attention to the journey, just the destination. He ignored everything in between where he happened to be and where he wanted to go. It was 40mph everywhere, no giving way or flashing people out and god help any pedestrian who got in his way...

Thats what these politicians are like, they've been told by their leader/s that 'this is what we need' and in order to keep their jobs and to stay in power, they just ignore everything but the goal, little realising that the goal is actually a load of old shite. (Thats a seldom used political term there... Cool )

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PostPosted: 16:16 - 21 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I for one welcome our new Nazi Overlords and fully support them in their goals of turning former bastions of democracy into overly beuraucratic police states.


Goddamn it. Politics doesn't solve a thing. Ever.

Politics only does one thing: create more problems.

Guess who gets paid to solve these problems? Politicians.

But what happens if they do their jobs well and solve all our problems? We don't need them.

So who creates the problems? Politicians.
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PostPosted: 17:39 - 21 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
I'm getting closer to the point where I get me an automatic rifle and some explosives and do a final-curtain on these cvnts.


This from the man who wants to pass car/bike insurance into goverment hands....... Embarassed Laughing

I think all mobiles should be registered to a person and address. That way it would help keep the prices down the mobile companies charge.... The amount of fraud on the mobiles phones in top up's alone must run into millions each year.
If each phone was linked to a person/address it would help cut down on this.
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 23 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColdInsomnia wrote:
Politics doesn't solve a thing.


and your alternative is???
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PostPosted: 19:42 - 23 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kal wrote:
ColdInsomnia wrote:
Politics doesn't solve a thing.


and your alternative is???



In my signature.

(In before impossible / unfeasable / impractical etc)
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