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DugieT
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 23 Oct 2008    Post subject: Riding home in gusty 60mph winds today on a 6 mile adventure Reply with quote

OMG haha i was having to just hang on at times, just decided to take the back roads home rather than the dual carriageway, but that presented new problems, one the roads were up to 2 inch deep in water at points and two the leaves strewn everywhere, got through the back roads tippy toeing practically lol got on the street roads and the gusts nearly blew me off a few times, just my balance kept me on i think, plus gusts blowing me when i was going over paint on the road back wheel sliding.... Fun Fun Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 23 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont know what sort of bike you have but the bigger the bike the better they handle the wind Thumbs Up

I'm just hoping this wind keeps up, shifts all the leaves off the tree's and gets them off the road while they are dry.... Rather than having them stuck to the road... Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 18:02 - 23 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
Dont know what sort of bike you have but the bigger the bike the better they handle the wind Thumbs Up

I'm just hoping this wind keeps up, shifts all the leaves off the tree's and gets them off the road while they are dry.... Rather than having them stuck to the road... Evil or Very Mad


Sod the wind, my DAS test got cancelled on Tuesday because of the wind. Anyway, I had a few moments on my way back from work getting blown about left, right and centre, great fun! Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 23 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
Dont know what sort of bike you have but the bigger the bike the better they handle the wind Thumbs Up

I'm just hoping this wind keeps up, shifts all the leaves off the tree's and gets them off the road while they are dry.... Rather than having them stuck to the road... Evil or Very Mad


Well unfortunately i have a cbr 125 lol

I've only been riding for two months total experience, so on the L plates with my car license and CBT
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 23 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

DugieT wrote:
iooi wrote:
Dont know what sort of bike you have but the bigger the bike the better they handle the wind Thumbs Up

I'm just hoping this wind keeps up, shifts all the leaves off the tree's and gets them off the road while they are dry.... Rather than having them stuck to the road... Evil or Very Mad


Well unfortunately i have a cbr 125 lol

I've only been riding for two months total experience, so on the L plates with my car license and CBT


What coat you were will effect side winds.
You want as little surface area as possible to the wind, no flapping and smooth. Leather coats are often used.

Have your learned to shift your body weight to one side in a side wind?
Push down on the handlebar and with one foot.
Also increase the rpm of the engine by changing down a gear or two for the speed you are traveling at (will help in side winds).

Have you learned about counter steering yet?
Try going on a long straight road.
When you are over 10mph try pointing the handlebars to the right and notice the bike goes to the left.
Pointing to the left makes the bike go to the right.
Learning this skill is very handy in side winds.

Some large bikes suffer more from side winds than small bikes.
Its down to the wind resistance of the bike.
Large fairings and solid plastic body work all over the place stops the wind, so bike is blown all over the place.
Engine power and weight do help but idealy you want the wind to pass straight through or around the bike.
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PostPosted: 04:21 - 24 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I once rode my S4 through a big puddle, it was hammering it down and there was about a 6" puddle I though I'll slow down to about 25 to go through it the wave I created my hitting hit at that speed sent water up in the air and over my head. Laughing I only had jeans on Laughing
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PostPosted: 07:04 - 24 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Push down on the handlebar and with one foot.
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Thanks for the tips Thumbs Up Just one thing i'm not confident enough to put my foot on the handlebars lol i thought that would just be for show boating Laughing
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PostPosted: 07:07 - 24 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
I once rode my S4 through a big puddle, it was hammering it down and there was about a 6" puddle I though I'll slow down to about 25 to go through it the wave I created my hitting hit at that speed sent water up in the air and over my head. Laughing I only had jeans on Laughing

Oh shit lol I bet you were drenched.
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PostPosted: 08:48 - 24 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

luke27 wrote:
Have you learned about counter steering yet?


Of course he has, everytime you turn above about 5mph you are using counter steering.
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PostPosted: 09:23 - 24 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

DugieT wrote:

Push down on the handlebar and with one foot.
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Thanks for the tips Thumbs Up Just one thing i'm not confident enough to put my foot on the handlebars lol i thought that would just be for show boating Laughing[/quote]

Slight typing mistake. Of course I ment to put all your weight on one foot. So in very strong side winds you almost put all your weight on one foot.

If you can try to move your weight around on the seat to one side as well.
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PostPosted: 09:30 - 24 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

ms51ves3 wrote:
luke27 wrote:
Have you learned about counter steering yet?


Of course he has, every time you turn above about 5mph you are using counter steering.


I assume they still do not teach counter steering except in the advanced motorcycle training.

When I did my CBT and normal 125cc motorcycle lessons they never taught it, but that was a long time ago.

There is no "Of course he has" about it.
You instinctively use counter steering but you do not realise you are doing it normally.

In strong side winds you do not instinctively use counter steering and you have to use much more pressure and think about it in very strong side winds.
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PostPosted: 12:19 - 24 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a similar ride home too, my gn isn't the heaviest and me being quite light i did struggle, more when i was stopped at junctions though, had to put both feet on the ground to keep steady!

another problem i had was my life savers, felt like wind almost gave me whiplash!

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Have you learned about counter steering yet?
Try going on a long straight road.
When you are over 10mph try pointing the handlebars to the right and notice the bike goes to the left.
Pointing to the left makes the bike go to the right.
Learning this skill is very handy in side winds.


I did my cbt about 2 months ago too and they never mentioned this. is it about leaning and shifting body weight to steer as apposed to using the bars?

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PostPosted: 13:45 - 24 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Top Cat wrote:
I had a similar ride home too, my gn isn't the heaviest and me being quite light i did struggle, more when i was stopped at junctions though, had to put both feet on the ground to keep steady!

another problem i had was my life savers, felt like wind almost gave me whiplash!

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Have you learned about counter steering yet?
Try going on a long straight road.
When you are over 10mph try pointing the handlebars to the right and notice the bike goes to the left.
Pointing to the left makes the bike go to the right.
Learning this skill is very handy in side winds.


I did my cbt about 2 months ago too and they never mentioned this. is it about leaning and shifting body weight to steer as apposed to using the bars?

Tracy


Counter steering is turning the bike to the left and the bike goes to the right. Right goes to the left.
This only happens above a certain speed.
That speed is some ware between 5 and 10 mph.

I just found it on Wiki and their explanation is very over complicated.

YouTube videos are much easier and better.

Or just try it for yourself.
You do not have to move your body around or lean the bike unless you want to with counter steering.
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PostPosted: 13:47 - 24 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

They never mentioned the counter steering thing to me either, suppose its something you learn with experience being able to do that steadying in the wind, I was just acting on instincts and it worked ok.
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PostPosted: 15:16 - 24 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

DugieT wrote:
They never mentioned the counter steering thing to me either, suppose its something you learn with experience being able to do that steadying in the wind, I was just acting on instincts and it worked ok.


You do not learn it with experience in a side wide.
You have to know about it and how to do it.

Your natural instinct is to turn the bike in to the wind.
So if wind trys to push you to the right you turn the handlebars to the left.
But that results in the bike going to the right due to counter steering.
The way you have proberbly managed so far is by leaning and shifting your body weight.
That will work in strong side winds but will not be enough in very strong side winds.
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PostPosted: 19:41 - 24 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

luke27 wrote:
I just found it on Wiki and their explanation is very over complicated.


Push right (bar), go right. Push left, go left.

Hardly quantum physics, is it?
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PostPosted: 20:34 - 24 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

bazza wrote:
luke27 wrote:
I just found it on Wiki and their explanation is very over complicated.


Push right (bar), go right. Push left, go left.

Hardly quantum physics, is it?


Try it.
I bet you any motorcycle with 2 wheels or push bike with 2 wheels that are traveling above 10mph that left goes right and right goes left.
It does sound crazy and impossible but its true and a law of physics.
Quantum physics is another story and not relevent.
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 24 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

luke27 wrote:
Try it.


Read what I wrote again. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 22:11 - 24 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Luke,

We understand what your saying but really Bazza's explanation is much simpler to explain Thumbs Up

In normal circumstances most would understand that when going through a left hand bend for example you would move or pull the handlebars to the left.

What your thinking is that with counter steering your almost turning the bar to the right but it still goes left.

So its more pushing on down on the bar in the direction you want go, as said by Bazza, push left to go left and push right to go right.

What you dont want to do is give people the impression that if they pull the bar to the right at speed it will go left.

So push not pull Smile
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PostPosted: 06:35 - 25 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
Dont know what sort of bike you have but the bigger the bike the better they handle the wind Thumbs Up



Depends on the bike. I had a nightmare journey back from the GPO rally on the first weekend of the month on my America. Possibly the screen had something to do with it, acting like a sail, driving rain and high winds meant every gap in the hedgerows became an opportunity to instantly change lanes. I did 20-odd miles hanging off one side to try and keep the bugger upright in the wind. My friend had to cross the Cambridgeshire fens to get home, she says if it had been like that on the outward trip she'd have turned round and gone home and sod the rally.
Be thankful too that you've not got solid billet wheels on your bike. I have a mate with a Harley chop with solid wheels and he cant take it out in windy conditions.
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PostPosted: 08:38 - 25 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

During my cbt I was taught several things about riding in stronger winds. Keep a look out for exposed gaps around the roadside such as riding over bridges or fields with no shielding trees and slow down accordingly. I was also shown to lean into the wind slightly and shift my weight over to that one side of the bike.

Hope this helps. Cool
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PostPosted: 09:17 - 25 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nufkamp wrote:

Depends on the bike


Not a fan of riding in the wind at all, I totally agree with the above statement. The site where I work is huge with large buildings that channel the wind between them quite effectively, Ive found myself heading for the curb after turning junctions because of the cross winds on my CBR6 - not helped by the 20mph speed limit and slippery roads!

I find the wind to be very annoying on the hayabusa, it has a lot of side surface area and gets pushed about a lot despite its size. Head on is no bother though of course.

Anyone on here ever been 'blown off' (snigger snigger) in high winds??
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PostPosted: 10:48 - 25 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never been blown off, but I was filtering yesterday and every time I passed the end of a car the wind caught the bike, it was like dodgems for a while and funny as f**k trying to dodge car doors, mirrors and keep the bike up and straight while I got to the front. When I did the lights were at red so I stopped and found myself almost off the bike on the right using my weight to push it left and keep it up the wind was that strong.
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PostPosted: 11:02 - 25 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gashead Harry wrote:
During my cbt I was taught several things about riding in stronger winds. Keep a look out for exposed gaps around the roadside such as riding over bridges or fields with no shielding trees and slow down accordingly. I was also shown to lean into the wind slightly and shift my weight over to that one side of the bike.

Hope this helps. Cool


It wouldn't be of help if the wind stopped suddenly. Shocked
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