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PostPosted: 22:22 - 29 Oct 2008    Post subject: Rumor about restriction, but is it true Reply with quote

A mate of mine at work said having a restrictor fitted only effects the top speed of a bike, not the acceleration, as thats more to do with torque and the transmission. Is this true, if it isn't then I'll change my next bike from a gsx650f to something more sedate, no point having all that power and not been able to tap into it.

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PostPosted: 23:41 - 29 Oct 2008    Post subject: Re: Rumor about restriction, but is it true Reply with quote

nutter wrote:
A mate of mine at work said having a restrictor fitted only effects the top speed of a bike, not the acceleration, as thats more to do with torque and the transmission. Is this true, if it isn't then I'll change my next bike from a gsx650f to something more sedate, no point having all that power and not been able to tap into it.

Many thanks
Mark


Your mate is talking out of his arse. It effects power, which effects everything.
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PostPosted: 00:14 - 30 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Essentially the restricting washers act the same as not letting you open the throttle fully, so it effects how quick the revs build up, and what it revs to. Most torque curves follow the power curves, so a motor which builds up torque and power at similar revs will lose it's higher torquey bits anyway, but one which has a flatter torque curve than power will generally take the restriction better.


[edit] oh yeah, and just to agree with Chris, it isn't quite as simple as torque = acceleration and HP = top speed.
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PostPosted: 01:55 - 30 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tristan the wrote:
Essentially the restricting washers act the same as not letting you open the throttle fully, so it effects how quick the revs build up, and what it revs to. Most torque curves follow the power curves, so a motor which builds up torque and power at similar revs will lose it's higher torquey bits anyway, but one which has a flatter torque curve than power will generally take the restriction better.


[edit] oh yeah, and just to agree with Chris, it isn't quite as simple as torque = acceleration and HP = top speed.


It is mostly aerodynamics that effect speed, which is why the top speed for a push bike is about 200mph I think (In the wake of a car).

I believe hp is torque X RPM or somethign like that
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PostPosted: 08:03 - 30 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends what type of restriction you're talking about.

I presume you're refering to the 33bhp restriction though, which limits power. This affects both acceleration and top speed.

If you're refering to a top speed limiter like the 186mph limiters that many new bikes come with these days then they only affect top speed.
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PostPosted: 10:39 - 30 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Does affect everything, but top speed is pretty much limited by aerodynamics.

With acceleration it will depend on what revs you are at. Eg, doing 50 in top and just opening the throttle on many bike it would probably be a while before the revs got to a point where it would make more than 33hp anyway, and the effective extra throttle of not being restricted wouldn't make much (if any) difference at low revs.

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PostPosted: 11:09 - 30 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks

I thought it was too good to be true

Having said that, i've just seen a GSX650F up close and i now have my heart set on it

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PostPosted: 11:44 - 30 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

nutter wrote:
Thanks

I thought it was too good to be true

Having said that, i've just seen a GSX650F up close and i now have my heart set on it

Many thanks
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Have you considered the SV650? Will take restriction better as it's a V-twin and it's something like 20kg lighter than the GSX650F
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PostPosted: 11:45 - 30 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

ms51ves3 wrote:
Have you considered the SV650? Will take restriction better as it's a V-twin


Not really any reason for that to be true

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PostPosted: 13:29 - 30 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I've considered the SV. It just looks too much like by CBR 125 from the front, and the gsxf is closer to the bike i really wanted, a gsxr, but insurance has discouarged me on thgat front (£1500 TPO is the BEST i can get, worst was over 10k).

Also, I'm one of these who likes to be colour co-ordinated (the only part of my life which is co-ordinated LOL) and they dont do a SV650 sport in blue/white

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PostPosted: 14:49 - 30 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

nutter wrote:


Also, I'm one of these who likes to be colour co-ordinated (the only part of my life which is co-ordinated LOL) and they dont do a SV650 sport in blue/white

Many thanks
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PostPosted: 19:31 - 30 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 19:56 - 30 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

nutter wrote:
Yeah, I've considered the SV. It just looks too much like by CBR 125 from the front, and the gsxf is closer to the bike i really wanted, a gsxr, but insurance has discouarged me on thgat front (£1500 TPO is the BEST i can get, worst was over 10k).

Also, I'm one of these who likes to be colour co-ordinated (the only part of my life which is co-ordinated LOL) and they dont do a SV650 sport in blue/white

Many thanks
Mark


how does that work? i got insured on my GSXR at 18 for £500 TPFT
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 30 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattsprattuk wrote:
nutter wrote:
Yeah, I've considered the SV. It just looks too much like by CBR 125 from the front, and the gsxf is closer to the bike i really wanted, a gsxr, but insurance has discouarged me on thgat front (£1500 TPO is the BEST i can get, worst was over 10k).

Also, I'm one of these who likes to be colour co-ordinated (the only part of my life which is co-ordinated LOL) and they dont do a SV650 sport in blue/white

Many thanks
Mark


how does that work? i got insured on my GSXR at 18 for £500 TPFT


Maybe it's a newer GSXR than your SRAD.
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 30 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

i got quotes on a K4 before i got it, and they were still around the 600 mark.
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PostPosted: 20:54 - 30 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought a NC23 which had restrictors fitted and it was 'orrible to ride even at low revs.
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 30 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
ms51ves3 wrote:
Have you considered the SV650? Will take restriction better as it's a V-twin


Not really any reason for that to be true

All the best

Keith


I recently rode a restricted ZX6R '99 model and found that you might aswell change gear at about 7k rpm as there is no more useful power any higher up the rev range, it felt totally flat. I also recently rode a restricted SV650 and found that the SV was more rideable. It felt as though the power was a bit more spread out with the SV than with the ZX6 as the rev range isn't so high. The gearing seems to suit restriction on an SV due to this fact too.
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 30 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZaphodBeeble wrote:
It felt as though the power was a bit more spread out with the SV than with the ZX6 as the rev range isn't so high. The gearing seems to suit restriction on an SV due to this fact too.


Doesn't surprise me, but I would think that is down to gearing (as you mention) and also how biased the power delivery is to top end power. And as such a 650 Bandit (in a fairly low state of tune) would likely be similar.

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