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PostPosted: 22:12 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drain the diesel out of the tank and put petrol in it?
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PostPosted: 22:15 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Drain the diesel out of the tank and put petrol in it?

If he started the bike, and it conked out, then surely the diesel is already well in the engine and draining the tank won't be enough surely?
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PostPosted: 22:15 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marjay sounds right with that, but if it fails then maybe a terminal engine issue?
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PostPosted: 22:42 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

tutton wrote:

If he started the bike, and it conked out, then surely the diesel is already well in the engine and draining the tank won't be enough surely?
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Well, there was still a little petrol in the tank so the diesel will have worked its way through.

However, the bike is fuel injected and so it won't have carbs full of diesel. The petrol will dilute the diesel in the fuel lines if the tank is completely drained and filled with petrol, and so after a couple of tries it should fire up OK. I doubt it will have caused any permanent damage.
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drain it and refill with petrol.
Then ride it to Halfrauds or somewhere like that to buy the biggest sticker you can find which says "PETROL", then stick that on the tank. Razz

Diesel in a petrol isn't a massive worry, once you've got most of it drained out any remaining will be diluted enough that it won't cause problems. Tank full of petrol for a diesel engine, you wouldn't even want to try and start it.
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PostPosted: 22:48 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Re: URGENT - bike won't start!!! Reply with quote

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because it was cold so i gave it a couple of bounces off the limiter (too a look of horror from Jamie from the shop).

A point of note, I'd be pretty pissed off if someone red-lined my bike from cold (less so a less good bike, but still a bad thing to do to someone else's bike).

Did the sounding bad sound like engine bits scraping, or just mis-firing?
Diesel in the tank could be a good first thing to check - asking to see CCTV tapes might shed some light on it Smile (they may even have a record thanks to their fancy ANPR systems).
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PostPosted: 23:18 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

if diesel is in there you will smell it.

if not you may have snapped a ring or 2 Shocked and it is possible.
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PostPosted: 23:19 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Re: URGENT - bike won't start!!! Reply with quote

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I have a 12 piece tool kit from my birthday (snap off for those who are interested) and am slightly handy in that department, any ideas what I could do to fix it?



Not much use unless they are the right size for the job. Would have got a proper full Halfrauds pro kit for the same price paid for Snap allot tools. Wink

As G said why you red-lined it when cold is a mystery as you do more damage than good. Good job your handy in the mechanical department as doing that your going to need it. Shocked
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PostPosted: 23:51 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Re: URGENT - bike won't start!!! Reply with quote

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because it was cold so i gave it a couple of bounces off the limiter (too a look of horror from Jamie from the shop).

A point of note, I'd be pretty pissed off if someone red-lined my bike from cold (less so a less good bike, but still a bad thing to do to someone else's bike).

Did the sounding bad sound like engine bits scraping, or just mis-firing?
Diesel in the tank could be a good first thing to check - asking to see CCTV tapes might shed some light on it Smile (they may even have a record thanks to their fancy ANPR systems).


I only held it on the limiter for like a minute or two untill Jamie got back so it wouldn't have done any damage...
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PostPosted: 23:54 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I put some petrol in the oil to top it up and get some petrol flowing around the engine, but it still won't start Confused
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PostPosted: 23:54 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Re: URGENT - bike won't start!!! Reply with quote

Matthie wrote:
I only held it on the limiter for like a minute or two untill Jamie got back so it wouldn't have done any damage...


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PostPosted: 23:57 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Drain the diesel out of the tank and put petrol in it?

Spot on. Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 23:57 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

This
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I put some petrol in the oil to top it up and get some petrol flowing around the engine

and this
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it was cold so i gave it a couple of bounces off the limiter


Would appear to contradict this.
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PostPosted: 00:14 - 06 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have drained the tank out completely yes?

If not, then don't bother. I put Diesel on my Hornet ages ago. Had to empty the tank carbs and replace the spark plugs.

Obviously there's no carbs but definately empty the tank outright, 100%. And clean the spark plugs and be ready as you might have to change them (I did anyways).

Also, a minute on the limiter?! I know you're probably exaggerating as someone would've told you to shut the fuck up from the noise it would make but still?
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PostPosted: 00:19 - 06 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

The receipt will tell you if it's diesel.
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PostPosted: 00:45 - 06 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suspect it was most likely a couple of quick flicks of the wrist on the throttle to get it roaring into life, not sat bouncing on the limiter for 1-2 minutes. RXS Chris, I'm outta Karma but a funny is due.. Laughing
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PostPosted: 01:18 - 06 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is nothing to add really in the way of advice, and I'm not being nasty or anything, but reading this thread is hillarity. Laughing Confused

Arrow Drain the tank dry.
Arrow Whip out the plugs, inspect/clean/replace.
Arrow If you really want to strip and clena the carbs?
Arrow I'm tempted to advise you to turn it over with full throttle, I would say no choke but obviously its FI so there is no choke... This helps to deflood an engine but I'm not sure how much use it is for draining diesel, but it can't hurt so do it anyway.
Arrow FILL with PETROL. Bit of Redex might not hurt Razz
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PostPosted: 08:04 - 06 Nov 2008    Post subject: Re: URGENT - bike won't start!!! Reply with quote

Matthie wrote:

I only held it on the limiter for like a minute or two untill Jamie got back so it wouldn't have done any damage...

A couple of quick flicks to the red could still possibly cause issues. They are unlikely to be immediate issues, but I'd still be annoyed if someone did it to my bike.
Different bits of metal expand at different rates. An engine revving fast will get some bits of metal up to 'working temperature' a lot quicker than others, meaning some bits may expand at a different rate, so they're putting excessive pressure on others.

Doubt it was the cause of problems in this case, but still not a good thing to do with any regularity, etc.
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PostPosted: 08:06 - 06 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

dmahon wrote:
The receipt will tell you if it's diesel.


So will opening the tank.
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PostPosted: 08:36 - 06 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

gotta be a joke, albeit a very poor one. no one can be that stupid.
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PostPosted: 08:43 - 06 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

never ever in a million years come within 100 feet of my bike.

You started it from cold and red lined the engine albeit for only a second ??????

Suggest you ditch the tools for a "my first engine" book from ladybird.
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PostPosted: 08:48 - 06 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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gotta be a joke, albeit a very poor one. no one can be that stupid.

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PostPosted: 09:50 - 06 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keir_K3 wrote:
gotta be a joke, albeit a very poor one. no one can be that stupid.
I almost did it once - filling up while chatting to a friend, just picked up the nozzle closest to me and almost filled the bike with diesel... still, I'm not entirely sure that I would have managed to put in a full tank and replace the nozzle without noticing!
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PostPosted: 09:56 - 06 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I put some petrol in the oil to top it up and get some petrol flowing around the engine, but it still won't start Confused


So now you need to change the oil too. I was under the impression that petrol in the oil in a 4 stroke was very bad.

To be far if you'd redlined my bike from cold I would have either smacked you one, or held your bike against the limiter for 20 minutes.

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