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Shaun
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PostPosted: 22:05 - 08 Nov 2008    Post subject: Split pins Reply with quote

FFS!

3 months ago I'm riding home and my chain snaps, I'm on a country road in the middle of nowhere and it's gone midnight. Thankfully Mike was home and came out to help which involved towing me home, which, to say the least, was an interesting experience.

Tonight I'm heading to a party in Manchester, coming down the same country lane, as I get up to speed I hear a familiar crunching sound, so I pull in the clutch and coast in to a parkin bay. Sure enough, the chain is hanging off the sprocket, it hasn't snapped this time, the split pin had just decided it wanted to lead a less stressful life by the kerb somewhere.

I stopped literally 5 metres from where I last broke down! Except this time Mike is in Shrewsbury, so £100 later the AA come to collect me, they don't even carry split pins so they take me home. Sad

I honestly can't believe the split pin gave up, I won't be using them again, it's only an XJ600, so about 60bhp? if I'm lucky.

Btw if anyone near me (I'm between York and Leeds) has a split pin or something they can get to me tomorrow I will suck you off, I'm currently without transport and have 2 gigs I really need to be at this week.
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PostPosted: 22:08 - 08 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sucks balls!

Weird it should happen twice. Right tension, lubed etc? Split link on the right way round?

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PostPosted: 22:13 - 08 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do you have a split pin holding your chain together?

When the first chain died did you check the rear wheel bearing or the cush drive bearing?
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Shaun
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 08 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first chain died due to complete lack of maintenance on my part, that was my own fault, the link didn't come apart, it did an actual snap.

Bearings etc are fine, the split link just decided to run away.

Amazing how quickly an hour goes when you're bouncing round a parking bay singing along with your ipod.
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 08 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaun wrote:


Bearings etc are fine, the split link just decided to run away.



Check them. A fair few failures are due to the cush drive bearing failing. Pings the link off.
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PostPosted: 22:25 - 08 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Offtopic, what's the top speed of your bike Shaun, you've got the same bike as me and I think mines f*cked, or just meant to be slow.
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 08 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

lllN30lll wrote:
Offtopic, what's the top speed of your bike Shaun, you've got the same bike as me and I think mines f*cked, or just meant to be slow.


About 110?

They're not quick bikes, just work horses.

I'll give them a check pup, ta.
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PostPosted: 22:46 - 08 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaun wrote:


I'll give them a check pup, ta.



When it happened on the ER-5 down in Cornwall it wasn't even obvious until I took the rear wheel off and the bearing fell apart.
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PostPosted: 23:12 - 08 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

wire split links on. a loop of ms wire over and behind the link will miss the sproket, twist it tight and it holds the link together.
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PostPosted: 23:54 - 08 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Verbatim from some long lost post with a ZXR61 picture.

In the old days it was fairly common, at least with the people I knew, to safety wire the split link on larger bikes. the wire was wrapped around the centre of the link, it didn't interfere with the sprockets.

I've even seen them with a bit of silicon on the split link to stop them getting knocked.

No idea if the silicon works but I've never had a split link come off.
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PostPosted: 02:04 - 09 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quick engineering 101;

This is a splint link;

https://www.ison-distribution.com/ison/image/complete/chkmc-unilink.jpg

This is a split pin;

https://www.smew.biz/imgs/clip/split-pin_cotter-key.jpg

Kthnx.
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PostPosted: 07:46 - 09 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaun wrote:
The first chain died due to complete lack of maintenance on my part, that was my own fault, the link didn't come apart, it did an actual snap.


Poor chain maintenance means the chain spends a lot of time whipping against the swingarm/other bits. Probably what lost you the link in the first place.
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Shaun
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PostPosted: 13:17 - 09 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

WildGoose wrote:
Quick engineering 101


Screw you, I was annoyed and drinking beer.

Thank god Mike is away and doesn't use his bike, I've been able to steal his chain as a temp fix. I shall be wrapping wire around that stupid little clip.
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 09 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p238/cbrshaun/SP_A0618.jpg

I was well impressed with the trailer, it had no need for a ramp because the wheels got fitted after the bike was loaded, a genius design!
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PostPosted: 22:31 - 09 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Precisely why I wont use the fucking things any more and invested £65 in a chain rivetting tool.

Split links are dangerous on big bikes. That is my oppinion based on real life experience of at least 4 of the bloody things having gone AWOL on me at speed and a couple of others I noticed before the chain disappeared.

You can imagine how carefull I was fitting the last one which came without a softlink eh? 200 miles later I was stood at the side of the road with no fucking chain on my bike.

Never again!
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PostPosted: 22:41 - 09 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the motorcycle industry agrees with you StinkWheel.

Personally I'm perfectly happy with a split link. But the last 3 or 4 chains I've bought havn't come with one.

I also spunked £50 on the right tool.

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PostPosted: 00:52 - 10 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaun wrote:
https://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p238/cbrshaun/SP_A0618.jpg

I was well impressed with the trailer, it had no need for a ramp because the wheels got fitted after the bike was loaded, a genius design!


so what if a wheel falls off? Very Happy
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PostPosted: 01:21 - 10 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

No split links are'nt designed to cope with the sort of tension and vibration, wear and speed etc that a larger bike would put on them.

Personally I would'nt really have a split link chain on anything unless it was an absoloute nescessity/ more usefull.

I trust split link chains on pushbike obviously and they are suitable for smaller bikes as they are lightweight and strong enough to fit there given purpose.
But I don't see why you'd have one on a larger bike, why are you skimping on your chain?

Also FFS Shaun you've had me typing split pin all through this post, its split link you pleb! Learn soem mechanical jibbery.
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PostPosted: 01:25 - 10 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mac_Kaliba wrote:
No split links are'nt designed to cope with the sort of tension and vibration, wear and speed etc that a larger bike would put on them.

Personally I would'nt really have a split link chain on anything unless it was an absoloute nescessity/ more usefull.



There was a split link on the GPZ when you went pillion. Twisted Evil Laughing Thumbs Up




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PostPosted: 01:43 - 10 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 01:44 - 10 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 01:55 - 10 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

virus wrote:
there was a split link on the GPZ when you went pillion. Twisted Evil Laughing Thumbs Up


Mac_Kaliba wrote:

Shocked


Mac_Kaliba wrote:

Shocked


Actually, that deserves a double post!
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PostPosted: 09:58 - 10 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mac_Kaliba wrote:
I trust split link chains on pushbike obviously and they are suitable for smaller bikes as they are lightweight and strong enough to fit there given purpose.


There should be no load on the split link clip, so it shouldn't matter about the strength of the clip or the load on the chain.

All the best

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PostPosted: 10:06 - 10 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Note to self: put a spare split link on the keyring.
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PostPosted: 10:12 - 10 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
Note to self: put a spare split link on the keyring.


Thumbs Up another top tip me thinks
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