Police turnaround time

[Dom_]

Say someone was pulled over driving another mans car and was given a producer, the driver then: failed to produce or produced a fraudulent insurance certificate. How long would it take the police to get back to the original owner of the car about the situation?

2 weeks, 2 months, 6 months?

Also, what do the police actually do when you produce? Just photocopy the insurance certificate and look at it to check its legitimacy or phone the insurers up to confirm the legitimacy of it?

Not me btw, for a friend of a friend.

Cheers, Dom

[yandy_yay]

Well a Friend of mine has got a mate who knows this fella down the pub that if pally with the landlord who is friends with the bookmaker who knows Jack who knows Jill that works down SunHill and knows a Copper.

I'll ask my friend when i see him but i'd say it'll take a few weeks then because of al the people involved you'll probably get the answer to a different question.

So in anticipation of that eventuallity i'll give you a definative anwser now : -

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[Cigaro]

When I've had a producer in the past they've just given the documents a quick glance over and that's been that.

[SlimRick]

IIRC, there's a tick box on producers so they either check the docs or record the details (photocopy them) depending on what the coppers ask for.

[Mr Hammers]

In my experience, it's the day after when you really believe that they must have forgotten about it.
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[Kris]

[Keir]

they have up to 6 months to issue summons.
If you produced a fake cert the chances are they wouldnt check if its authentic if it looked ok.
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[Dom_]

Like I said, it's not me in the mess. I need my licence for my job, i'm not daft enough to put myself in that situation.

The owner of the car believed the driver had 3rd party insurance, but it turns out he didn't.

[SoND]

Took them 3 months to send me a summons and I got a £50 fine for it. I had the documents, just forgot to show them.
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[stinkwheel]

These people need to sit down and have a talk then.

It is not unknown for the police to give the registered keeper two options when they catch a third party driving their car without insurance:

1) He was driving the car WITH the keepers permission. In this case the police can prosecute BOTH parties for no insurance (the driver for driving without insurance, the keeper for allowing him to). Usually 6 points each, a fairly hefty fine (up to £5000) and possible discretionary ban.

OR

2) He was driving the car WITHOUT the keepers permission. In this case they could prosecute the driver for driving without insurance AND taking without consent. Taking without consent is a criminal offence which can carry a custodial or community sentence and a fine, ban and penalty points.

Best to have an agreement over what is to be done.

I'd suggest option 1 and a gentelmans agreement that the driver pays the fine and increase in insurance for the keeper as being the fair way to proceed.
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[Dom_]

Cheers Stinkwheel.

I think the registered keeper is out of the situation now, he has a valid receipt from a garage (where he had a clutch fitted) stating the car was dropped off and collected on two dates between which was when the car was pulled over.
So hopefully for my friend, any action from the police will be dismissed as he has proof the car was not in his possession but the garages.

[yandy_yay]

someone is for the high jump !

Out of interest what kind of car is it ?

Andy
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[Dom_]

Good job they have long legs then!

The car? It's one with 5 wheels including the steering wheel.

[amnesia]

[stinkwheel]

[Chriss]

For what it's worth, a friend of mine was driving his brothers car, with no insurance. So my friend just produced his brothers documents (even photocard), even though they have different details. The documents all matched up, so all was good. Dunno if that'll help your situation.
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[Fortuna]

You do all know that the police have access to the insurance database now?

[Dom_]

[Chriss]

[Im-a-Ridah]

[stinkwheel]

[G]

I've wondered; what if you say something along the lines of "I didn't explicitly give them permission"; then if it comes to them in court for TWOC basically say "well, I don't mind that they did, they knew I wouldn't have a problem with it".

[Fortuna]

[The999Kid]

[quacker_boy]

Depends on the garage really, Bridge Motorcycles who I work for have insurance covering the mechanics to take out other people's bikes on a 'trade' plate when we do something even as basic as an oil and filter change, the bike is taken for a quick ride around a choice of a few circuits which come to no more than 3 miles and the guys don't go over the speed limit at all.

If the mechanic working in the garage was either dumb enough to go out without a trade plate on or take it out and then remove it and go ragging it around then someone like him shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a toolbox, let alone a professional garage. I hope he likes bending over.
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