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SCBC
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PostPosted: 21:55 - 19 Nov 2008    Post subject: Petition about crappy Gravel Roads Reply with quote

Hi everyone

im not one to pester people with things like this but im getting fed up now of going out for a nice ride in the country to go around a corner and find the have resurfaced the road with lose gravel. I have noticed over the last few months that these poor road surfaces are popping up every where. I have even had my bloody road done with it. over the last month i have nearly come of my bike 3 times due to these poorly laid roads and to be honest iv had enough. We all pay road tax to ride/Drive on quality roads not on poor quality fast fix's that is a hazard to ride one causes paint chips on your paint work and breaks your radiator. So please if you would like to see the back of these roads please take a second to sign the petition and lets get ride of these roads before we lose yet more bikers.

https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/resurfaceroadsproperly/?e

Thanks for taking the time to read this

Andy

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PostPosted: 22:01 - 19 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Errrr

That's how they surface roads, what do you actually want done? Confused
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 19 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh come on now does anybody still believe these things will make any difference at all?....


what was it 1 or was it 2 million people signed the no to road pricing petition , Gordon Brown read this as yes we want road pricing.....

In the UK unless you are rich or are a big corporation your words will fall upon deaf ears, while if Tesco or Branson want something they'll get it.
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PostPosted: 22:11 - 19 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good old Tarmac they are currently laying 5mm of tar on the surface then scattering lose stone over it, they dont roller it they just allow cars to flatten it. im sure i dont need to tell you that gravel and bikes do not mix.

This is not how they do it!!!!

i am in the industry and have been for several years and it is purely done as to cut cost and to show that they are trying to improve our roads with little care for bikers who have to go across the surface at 10mph while getting stones flicked over the bike and rider. not a pleasant thing to experience.
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 19 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

yer i agree nothing seems to get done most of the time, i lived in north wales for a time and they started to do this road and people kicked off royal and the local council banned it. So for the people who think ist a waste of time then so be it im with you SCBC as i value my life and lets be honest we lose enough bikers as it is. And im sure if and when people fall off on this road will be the first to complain.

Good luck you'll need it

who knows there might be a black American President one day too? lol
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PostPosted: 01:33 - 20 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

They have been making roads like that for as long as I can remember. Ride accordingly.

If they have failed to errect adequate signage warning of loose chippings ahead, that is a different matter and you should bring it up with either the council roads department or the trunk road maintainance contractor as appropriate.

If you want to complain about a road surface, please go for bitumen mastic. At least you can see loose chippings, bitumen mastic can have all the grip properties of a sheet of glass yet still look pristine.
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PostPosted: 09:02 - 20 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well must be suffering memory loss? Ride accordingly lol i'll fork out for a KTM or come and move near you guys as it seems that your road tax money is been well spent on the perfectly formed roads. Oh come o guys give they Guy/Girl a break he is trying to improve roads. lol gravel or Tarmac the roads are crap full of pot holes and uneven and if you can truthfully say your happy with the uk roads then you need to get out and ride your bikes rather than have them sat in your garages looking at them and boasting how low there mileage is?

Im like in this topic

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PostPosted: 10:35 - 20 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

greengreen grass wrote:
Well must be suffering memory loss? Ride accordingly lol i'll fork out for a KTM or come and move near you guys as it seems that your road tax money is been well spent on the perfectly formed roads. Oh come o guys give they Guy/Girl a break he is trying to improve roads. lol gravel or Tarmac the roads are crap full of pot holes and uneven and if you can truthfully say your happy with the uk roads then you need to get out and ride your bikes rather than have them sat in your garages looking at them and boasting how low there mileage is?

Im like in this topic

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I'm not saying the roads aren't in a shit state, I'm saying that it is perfectly normal practice to repair a road which isn't worn past the top layer by using tar and chippings then rely on the passage of cars to pack the chippings down.

It would probably be an idea if they took a sweeper over it after a few days to remove any excess chippings.

Yes they are unpleasant to ride on when they've just put the chippings down but I've never fallen off on them, it's a hazard you can see. They aren't loose forever and a road surface that has been dressed in that way offers loads of grip in the wet and during snowy/icy conditions.

As this fellow says:
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In simplified terminology for the general public, and the "suits" now largely in charge of our industry, as long as the "pointy-bits", a technical term you understand, of the highly textured surface protrude above the frost, ice, or snow covering, the rubber of the tyre will find grip on them, and providing you drive carefully you will be able to negotiate the road safely.

In the summer, on an established surface dressing, you will just be able to stop quicker, when the sheep, cow or tractor appears around the bend you should be approaching more sensibly.

Link

So, chippings, just slow the down for a couple of weeks 'till they are bedded in. They could save your life when it's icy.
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PostPosted: 10:55 - 20 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a quick note, if you're in the UK and you're starting a petition about a UK subject, do so on the no10 website.

If it reaches more than 250 signatures it'll get treated as a real one by the PM's office.

You are unlikely to get a reply from the PM, but if it's a sensible petition about a serious topic that is run for a reasonable length of time (if it's opened for 1 year over a fiercly topical subject, it'll not be much cop) you'll almost certainly get a reply from a minister.

Wether you like the reply or if it's from the *right* minister is an entirely different kettle of fish.

I say this having worked in the department that handled the correspondence, albeit not the epetitions, so I wouldn't take it as entirely gospel, but whilst I was there it was being taken with increasing seriousness as a) it's a good system and b) it's easier to process and respond to a million email addresses than it is to respond to a million signatures!

https://petitions.number10.gov.uk/
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PostPosted: 14:54 - 20 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would have signed it because gravel resurfacing is a joke imo.

But why the f**k have you used an American, private, petition website that asks for donations?

Use Number 10.
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 20 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Number 10 website or some American website, it doesn't matter.

Online petitions are a complete waste of time, so it makes no difference what website is used. Laughing
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PostPosted: 00:36 - 21 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think its much of an issue. When they start laying down roads its like that. Many people are not aware that a freshly tarmac'd road is not gripping tires as much as the road that was there before it. It takes a while for the tarmac to be run in, so it can have the most grip.

I'm all for new tarmac'd roads. they're much smoother. I cannot stand roads that have had indented tracks for miles don't by buses. esp the subtle ones which you can't even notice the dip until your handling goes funny
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 21 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Guys Wow wasn't really after starting a debate on this one just after support. If you don't wish to sign then thats cool Don't! I used the American petition as i had already had a reply from the number 10 web site stating it would be better for me to petition the highways agency's and councils first. I really should he viewed why im against these road more clearer. My main concern is we as tax payers pay for the roads we drive/Ride on to be maintained to a high standed we all know our roads are crap. but i ride my bike 24/7 knocking up around12 to 16k per year and these gravel roads are not what i would say fixing our roads. there are several roads i ride on in and around Hampshire that have had this new surface put on it and there are shocking with bumps and ridges all over it holes not filled in correctly with just gravel that is constantly been flicked up by car's creating an even bigger hole than before. Also no matter how careful you are the cars going past you in the other direction don't dive a shit flinging stones every where.

Thanks to the guys that have signed already and as i said not here to start and Jerry Springer Debates.

Cheers Guys & Gals
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 21 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

multijoy wrote:
Just a quick note, if you're in the UK and you're starting a petition about a UK subject, do so on the no10 website.

If it reaches more than 250 signatures it'll get treated as a real one by the PM's office.

You are unlikely to get a reply from the PM, but if it's a sensible petition about a serious topic that is run for a reasonable length of time (if it's opened for 1 year over a fiercly topical subject, it'll not be much cop) you'll almost certainly get a reply from a minister.

Wether you like the reply or if it's from the *right* minister is an entirely different kettle of fish.

I say this having worked in the department that handled the correspondence, albeit not the epetitions, so I wouldn't take it as entirely gospel, but whilst I was there it was being taken with increasing seriousness as a) it's a good system and b) it's easier to process and respond to a million email addresses than it is to respond to a million signatures!

https://petitions.number10.gov.uk/


Thanks for the info on this one much appreciated
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PostPosted: 17:41 - 21 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

You seem to have too much time on your hands, wanna come wash my cars and bike?
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 21 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Worrying about a little bit of gravel. There are roads in much worse condition than that.
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PostPosted: 13:16 - 22 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

SCBC wrote:
these gravel roads are not what i would say fixing our roads. there are several roads i ride on in and around Hampshire that have had this new surface put on it and there are shocking with bumps and ridges all over it holes not filled in correctly with just gravel that is constantly been flicked up by car's creating an even bigger hole

...snip...

Thanks to the guys that have signed already and as i said not here to start and Jerry Springer Debates.


Fair dos, but that's nothing to do with the gravel top dressing which, as I'll re-iterate, is a perfectly normal way of building a road. If the road surface has broken down past the upper layer, it needs repairing, not top-dressing which is what appears to be your issue.

Oh, and it's a discussion forum, not an announcement forum. The stated purpose of this particular section is to "Discuss the latest news and issues affecting biking today.". Discussions where everyone agrees tend to be very short indeed.

Were it not for discussion, a) Nobody would have actually thought about what their position is on the subject.
b) This post would now be on page 6 where nobody reads it.
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 02 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a bigger gripe than gravel and thats mud on the roads and the lack of farmers putting out signs to warn you, by law they are supposed to put out signs but rarely do and are never prosecuted or even warned.
As for gravel, the roads get torn up constantly so there will always be loose gravel and when they are resurfacing they lay loose gravel that gets embedded into the road in time plus they normally have warning signs out.
good luck and ride safe especially with it being so icy out there
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