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PostPosted: 19:33 - 21 Nov 2008    Post subject: Twat in a cage! Reply with quote

Just saw something that seriously got me going. On the A4 in my mates car going through Brentford towards Staines. There's a load of traffic going the other way, and we see some moron who has tried to turn right from our side to go into where PC World is on the other side(incase anyone knows it). Their car has it's rear end in the first lane they have tried to cross, and front end in the middle lane, so they didn't even get far. As we go past, I look down the left side of the car, and see none other than a smashed bike laying on it's side.

The biker hit the B pillar, so would have slammed straight into the car, and was probably going at speed with it being an A road. They didn't close the road so I assume the rider didn't die.

What pisses me off, is that the cunt in the car didn't even clear the first lane they were crossing. Obviously one of those hesitant twats who sits there and can't judge the speed of an oncoming vehicle, then decide to go late, and cause something like this. Judging from the damage, I can't imagine the rider being in a good way Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 21 Nov 2008    Post subject: Re: Twat in a cage! Reply with quote

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Obviously one of those hesitant twats who sits there and can't judge the speed of an oncoming vehicle, then decide to go late, and cause something like this. Judging from the damage, I can't imagine the rider being in a good way Thumbs Down


Or they were being let across due to the weight of the traffic, and a filtering motorcyclist was going too fast to stop?
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 21 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

some people have no savvy...

mostly wanted to say..

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PostPosted: 19:47 - 21 Nov 2008    Post subject: Re: Twat in a cage! Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
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Obviously one of those hesitant twats who sits there and can't judge the speed of an oncoming vehicle, then decide to go late, and cause something like this. Judging from the damage, I can't imagine the rider being in a good way Thumbs Down


Or they were being let across due to the weight of the traffic, and a filtering motorcyclist was going too fast to stop?


Wouldn't say so, if that was the case the cars in the inside and middle lanes would have had to all reverse back up the road to get around the car in question. There wasn't a queue of standstill traffic in those lanes that couldn't move due to being right up to the car.
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PostPosted: 20:11 - 21 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would it have pissed you off less if the car driver had got across the first lane? You are making a big assumption that the car driver is to blame, maybe the bike was travelling at excessive speed or didn't have lights on.

Or maybe you think the car driver went out thinking 'I am going to be a right cunt today and cause an accident. To many variables to make such a big assumption.
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PostPosted: 20:11 - 21 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

i find the worst ones are the ones that pull out on you, realise they have done so and slam the anchors on right in the middle of your lane usually leaving you about 0.00001 second to decide weather to slam the anchors on or go for the swerve, which in my case usually results in both Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 20:23 - 21 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

strag wrote:
Would it have pissed you off less if the car driver had got across the first lane? You are making a big assumption that the car driver is to blame, maybe the bike was travelling at excessive speed or didn't have lights on.

Or maybe you think the car driver went out thinking 'I am going to be a right cunt today and cause an accident. To many variables to make such a big assumption.


With an open road like that, it doesn't matter how fast the bike was going, it's not as if you're not going to see it coming if it's doing 150mph. Very well lit road aswell, even without lights you would see them.

EDIT: Yes, it would have pissed me off less if the car driver had got across the first lane, this way, they didn't even come close to crossing the carraigeway safely.
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 21 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course it matters, if it was doing 150mph do you think its reasonable that a driver could judge the speed? It is all irrelevant anyway as we have no idea what happened.

Like I said, you are making a big assumption.
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PostPosted: 20:44 - 21 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Of course it matters, if it was doing 150mph do you think its reasonable that a driver could judge the speed? It is all irrelevant anyway as we have no idea what happened.

Like I said, you are making a big assumption.


I know i'm making a big assumption, i'm not denying that,

And yes, I think the driver should have enough brain cells to see a bike doing 150mph and think, "I wont have time to pull out here". If you're not sure, you wait, simple. If they were sure that they could go then they're a fuckwit and should have their licence revoked.
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 21 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex-RS wrote:
With an open road like that, it doesn't matter how fast the bike was going, it's not as if you're not going to see it coming if it's doing 150mph. Very well lit road aswell, even without lights you would see them.


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PostPosted: 21:06 - 21 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

1930 Ariel wrote:
Alex-RS wrote:
With an open road like that, it doesn't matter how fast the bike was going, it's not as if you're not going to see it coming if it's doing 150mph. Very well lit road aswell, even without lights you would see them.


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Would you like to elaborate? I might learn something Wink
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PostPosted: 21:24 - 21 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are some lessons only learnt in the back of an ambulance.
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 21 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair play.
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PostPosted: 21:45 - 21 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

1930 Ariel wrote:
There are some lessons only learnt in the back of an ambulance.



Wise words!!! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 22 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Always the car drivers fault, never the bikers.

Basically, if you weren't there at the time the accident occured then you can only make assumptions as to the cause as you don't have definitive knowledge of what happened due to not being there.

Fair enough, this is a bike forum, but we are to blame too.
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PostPosted: 13:40 - 22 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a cynical person, it was the car driver's fault until i'm informed otherwise Very Happy
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PostPosted: 09:35 - 23 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Judging by some of the drivers I've encountered within the M25, I would bet heavily that it is indeed the driver's fault. Everyday I come across at least three or four complete cretinous drivers.
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Newbiker0507 wrote:
Judging by some of the drivers I've encountered within the M25, I would bet heavily that it is indeed the driver's fault. Everyday I come across at least three or four complete cretinous drivers.


And, during the course of my travels, everday I come across three or four motorcyclists who are excessively speeding, or overtake in the most stupid of places or ride in an unbelievably agressive manner.

It's swings and roundabouts mate.
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PostPosted: 10:21 - 23 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

moog wrote:
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Judging by some of the drivers I've encountered within the M25, I would bet heavily that it is indeed the driver's fault. Everyday I come across at least three or four complete cretinous drivers.


And, during the course of my travels, everday I come across three or four motorcyclists who are excessively speeding, or overtake in the most stupid of places or ride in an unbelievably agressive manner.

It's swings and roundabouts mate.


Indeed. But as a motorcyclist, I'm more wary of the actions of cagers than I am of fellow riders.
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Indeed. But as a motorcyclist, I'm more wary of the actions of cagers than I am of fellow riders.


And as both a rider and a driver I am wary of the actions of both and can appreciate that it isn't always the cagers fault.
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PostPosted: 10:33 - 23 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

moog wrote:
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Indeed. But as a motorcyclist, I'm more wary of the actions of cagers than I am of fellow riders.


And as both a rider and a driver I am wary of the actions of both and can appreciate that it isn't always the cagers fault.


For the four years I was driving, I don't ever recall having problems with motorcyclists save for the little twats riding 50cc mopeds who just pissed me off with their lawnmowers.

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For the four years I was driving, I don't ever recall having problems with motorcyclists save for the little twats riding 50cc mopeds who just pissed me off with their lawnmowers.

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Must be the roads I use regularly then. Plenty of times I have been overtaken by a biker doing three speed figures and several times I have seen a biker overtake a car going round a blind corner. It tends to be the power rangers and weekend warriors on sports bikes that are the culprits.
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PostPosted: 22:20 - 23 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

moog wrote:
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For the four years I was driving, I don't ever recall having problems with motorcyclists save for the little twats riding 50cc mopeds who just pissed me off with their lawnmowers.

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Must be the roads I use regularly then. Plenty of times I have been overtaken by a biker doing three speed figures and several times I have seen a biker overtake a car going round a blind corner. It tends to be the power rangers and weekend warriors on sports bikes that are the culprits.


I have seen this type of thing, i'd say less than 5 times. Must be the roads I use.
I went back to driving last night for the first time since April, and the amount of incidences in one night was truly shocking. People's lane discipline is fucking ridiculous, and the worst thing is they don't even realise they are doing it, Evil or Very Mad fucking hell I hate the majority of road users in this country.
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 23 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

moog wrote:
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For the four years I was driving, I don't ever recall having problems with motorcyclists save for the little twats riding 50cc mopeds who just pissed me off with their lawnmowers.

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Must be the roads I use regularly then. Plenty of times I have been overtaken by a biker doing three speed figures and several times I have seen a biker overtake a car going round a blind corner. It tends to be the power rangers and weekend warriors on sports bikes that are the culprits.


I overtake doing 120+ regularly, and I overtake on blind corners quite often.

If it helps, I also wheelie over a humpback bridge close to a town centre, with people everywhere.

Also, I like to go riding with my friends on wednesday nights, and speed excessively through tunnels making as much noise as we can, attempting KD at ~110.

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PostPosted: 09:10 - 24 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I overtake doing 120+ regularly, and I overtake on blind corners quite often.

If it helps, I also wheelie over a humpback bridge close to a town centre, with people everywhere.

Also, I like to go riding with my friends on wednesday nights, and speed excessively through tunnels making as much noise as we can, attempting KD at ~110.

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So, because I obey the rules of the road I'm a safety nazi am I? Still, I'd rather be safety conscious than conform to a stereotype.

Ah well...I'll come and put some flowers at your grave mate, providing they scrape enough of you off the road to actually fill a grave.

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