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PostPosted: 11:56 - 29 Apr 2004    Post subject: Points for riding down bus lane? Reply with quote

Can you get points on your licence for riding down a bus lane or is it just yet another fine?

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PostPosted: 11:58 - 29 Apr 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a fine, its not an endorsable offence.
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PostPosted: 12:01 - 29 Apr 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always gotten away with it if the bus lane is for cyclists too as it says I'm a cyclist on my Tax disc Very Happy
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PostPosted: 12:11 - 29 Apr 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have they actually accepted that excuse after you've been caught Dean?
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 29 Apr 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends on whether the regulations are under a local regulation or under the road traffic regulations act.

Some local authorities apply the regs using national legislation, others bring in their own regs so under a national regulation it will be in effect failing to conform to an obligatory traffic sign = 3 points and a £60 fine, under the local regs it will be a £30 fine non endorsable.

Your local library will have a copy of all the regulations in force within your area and they will tell you which regulation applies.
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 29 Apr 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used a bus lane for like the first time ever yesterday on my way home from work, the traffic was jammed for like, miles and was stationary. The lanes are too narrow to safely filter so I jumped in an empty bus lane and skipped the whole jam. I rode down the bus lane at a slowish speed so wasn't taking the piss or anything and wasn't causing a danger and was certainly not slowing any buses down so I just wondered what the chances of being done for it were.

I can't see why bikes can't use the bus lanes anyway, it's a joke in my opinion, but then so is 99% of UK road laws and government in general, thanks for the advice though.
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PostPosted: 12:33 - 29 Apr 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a review currently being carried out to see whether motorcycles should be allowed to use bus lanes as a right, but the jury is out at the moment.

Bristol and reading have had an ongoing trial for a few years now, and there have been a significant number of accidents within these bus lanes, but the main causes at the moment are still somewhat unclear. It will probably be another 12 months before a decision is made although some local authorities are looking at allowing motorcycles to use bus lanes under a local regulation order.
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PostPosted: 12:40 - 29 Apr 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are two bus lanes in London where they are trialing whether motorbikes can use bus lanes, one in South London and the other is the Finchley Road in North London which I use regularly. You can also use the M4 bus lane on your bike.

I too was wondering if motorcyclists can get off fines on the technicality their tax class is bicycle. I guess it depends on the definition of bicycle!
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 29 Apr 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Somebody on the forum, I can't remember who, recently got points for riding in a bus lane.
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 29 Apr 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

headlamp wrote:


I too was wondering if motorcyclists can get off fines on the technicality their tax class is bicycle. I guess it depends on the definition of bicycle!


No, because the official classification is "Motor Bicycle"!
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 29 Apr 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

YamsR6 wrote:
I can't see why bikes can't use the bus lanes anyway, it's a joke in my opinion, but then so is 99% of UK road laws and government in general, thanks for the advice though.


I can't see why anyone can't use bus lanes. After all why should an empty bus (average number of passengers of a bus in the UK is under 9) have a clear run on its own lane, leaving the other 95% of traffic in the remaining jammed lane.

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PostPosted: 13:28 - 29 Apr 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
YamsR6 wrote:
I can't see why bikes can't use the bus lanes anyway, it's a joke in my opinion, but then so is 99% of UK road laws and government in general, thanks for the advice though.


I can't see why anyone can't use bus lanes. After all why should an empty bus (average number of passengers of a bus in the UK is under 9) have a clear run on its own lane, leaving the other 95% of traffic in the remaining jammed lane.

All the best

Keith


Because those that run the bus companies usually sit on the local authority councils, and they will not approve anything that might reduce the possibility of them having to compete with us mere motorists.

Reading is the worst offender. The guy who runs Reading Transport is in charge of local transport policies, says it all really!
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 29 Apr 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I think if we let cars into bus lanes then it'd just be yet another jammed lane of uselessness and the problem won't change, it'll just get worse with buses stuck in traffic, bikes will have even more trouble filtering and emergency services won't have a chance.

I think allowing bus lanes purely for buses, motorcycles and emergency services is the way forward.

But then I also think that push cyclists and old people in their mobility scooters should pay road tax (well why not? they use the roads, they even have their own lane for cyclists! all for free) so not everyone would agree with the bus lane thing Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 29 Apr 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

T.C wrote:
Because those that run the bus companies usually sit on the local authority councils, and they will not approve anything that might reduce the possibility of them having to compete with us mere motorists.


True, and the bus companies are heavily subsidised, so can afford to spend our money campaigning to screw us over even more. Average bus does abou 5000 times the damage to the road of an average car (road damage is proportional to the axle weight to the power of 4). Even worse is that they manage to set up organisations such as Transport 2000, which claim to be sustainable transport campaigners, but in reality are pretty much just public tranport lobby organisations.

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Reading is the worst offender. The guy who runs Reading Transport is in charge of local transport policies, says it all really!


Yes, just like in London where Transport For London not only control how much they screw up drivers, but they also the ones who control the buses.

Think if buses paid 5000 times the road tax of a car (so say round it down to £1/2m a year), plus paid the full tax on fuel then it might be acceptable to treat them on an equal footing to other road users!

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PostPosted: 08:09 - 30 Apr 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just out of interest, how much do buses have to pay road tax each year?
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PostPosted: 08:51 - 30 Apr 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just wrote a really long post and BCF ate it. Evil or Very Mad

Jist of which:

Manually operated cameras in buses so drivers take photos when vehicle in front is actually causing a problem. Free use of bus lane for all with bus having right of way - ie. get the hell out of it's way or get fined.

I have to balance how great a bike-only bus lane is against how pissed off I get with them when I'm in the car. Smile
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PostPosted: 23:42 - 30 Apr 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just got my licence back for going down a bus lane. It was a £60 fine and 3 points on my licence Neutral
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PostPosted: 00:52 - 01 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beechy wrote:
Just out of interest, how much do buses have to pay road tax each year?


Last time I looked, depending on the size up to £480. Peanuts considering their size and the number of miles they do.

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PostPosted: 17:14 - 01 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've gotten away with it twice so far.
I know I'm supposed to be on "Motor Bicycle" but as it clearly said "Bicycle" on my tax disc they let me go.
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PostPosted: 01:41 - 03 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I glad I live where I do, all the bus lanes around Bath, Bristol and Swindon (not that I go there) are motorcycle lanes too Razz
Still, it doesn't help that they don't place (or enforce) double yellows in them, so it's hardly worth the effort! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 07 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I'm £50 lighter for reducing congestion the other week. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 13 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been doing the knowledge of london for over 3 years and have just got my first penalty charge for driving my italjet scoter in a bus lane in the city. It was on a saturday and i thought i had read the signs on old st right. However there was a 200 yard bit of bus lane which was different time on a saturday then any where else and after seeing it again i believe it to be very misleading.

If you can dont drive in them. Its just cost me £50. My road tax is only £15 for the year.

Hoped ive helped. Take care out there.

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PostPosted: 21:45 - 13 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some local councils are stupid. In my town, "the oldest recorded town", Colchester, All the Bus Lanes also allow motorcycles - which is nice as it means by journey home is about 2 mins shorter Wink

They cause no traffic and as said before, do not damage the roads.

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PostPosted: 21:55 - 03 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just got my first penalty this morning for riding in a bus lane (see Avatar...)

First time in around 10 years of riding in London and always using bus lanes when I felt that road/traffic conditions meant that it was the safest way to make progress. An accident free record so far...

The ironic thing about this particular ticket is that it's timed at
18:51 and the lane in only in force until 19:00

I'll pay up, but think I'll have a whinge at the Mayor's office in the process, hopefully they'll decide their trial of allowing motorcycles in certain lanes is a success and will make it Londonwide soon.

The one plus point is that in doing a net search for somewhere to have a whine, I came across this site which seems to be filled by a nice bunch of people...

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PostPosted: 23:14 - 03 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't know where on earth the number nine came from for average number of people on a bus, could you link a reputable source?

A fair few of the bus lanes in and around Birmingham are also designated for use by bikes.
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