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Blue_SV650S
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PostPosted: 19:30 - 18 Dec 2008    Post subject: Am I Public Enemy #1? Reply with quote

Went out on my trials bike today round some local woodland Thumbs Up ... I got 'caught' Police and issued a C12A ... oops!! .. I had only been there ~15 mins too!! Sad

Supposedly someone reported a bike and the cop (think one of those local community cop jobs) came looking ... read on for more, but I think long story short - it was probably some yoofs across the way the cop was after and just came across me first - crime solved!!! - or was it!! Wink

Basically after I got the ticket, tail between my legs, I returned to the van to load the bike up and go home and I could hear a crosser being cained in the background!!! ... Shocked

Also when I was being questioned, I actually asked who reported it (as I said, I was amazed he was there so quick and I had caused a problem) and he said someone reported a cream bike being used in the area (my bike is blue!) - he said it was probably my cream lid they meant ... he figured he had his man ....

However, putting the facts I now know together (after hearing the bikes in the background when I got to the van - and the bike colour thing) .... My guess is that whoever yoof/s was terrorizing the local populous was the one that caused the person to raise the alarm and I was just unlucky to be stumbled apon first.

The most annoying thing of all ....

The yoofs who presumably caused enough concern for someone to call the cops ... well, after he got me, the cop probably thought he had found his man (me) and therefore would have p1ssed off home - leaving the yoofs still going over the way and getting off scott free!!! - you could only hear the bikes (crossers) when you got out of the woods - the trees obviously muffle the sound!

Now I know I shouldn't be riding my bike in the woods - bang to rights - but I'd like to think I was doing it conscientiously/responsibly ... its a tirals bike ... its not like you got over ~15mph and it spends most of its life on or only just over idle anyway!! Very Happy ... and I only saw 1 person and that was about 5 mins beforehand walking his dog ... I actually stopped and pulled over whilst he passed with his dog on the lane!! ... as I said, I was in the wrong, but I tend to think I was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time or someone has some serious 'issues' re bikes!! Sad

So, I am now listed on the police database and if caught again, get into real trouble!!

I am obviously public enemy #1?!?! ... how come when I got my garage broken into it took them >24hrs to get back to me - never even took prints, so didn't exactly find their crim ... yet 15 min minding my own business by myself in the woods on a trials bike and I get the cops all over me?!!? Middle Finger Middle Finger
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 18 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate this,
I have large wooded areas near where I live that is a legal grey area seemingly, and you can get away with trailing in there, BUT there is an increasing amount of people riding in groups and with unneccessarily loud 2 stroke engines with no muffler screaming their bollocks off in places where people walk dogs ect.

This due to the noise and danger of the group, is jeapoardising my enjoyment, because it is really starting to annoy people you can see it on their faces as you ride past on your way in "you cunts" they think, before the infestation of twats they used to smile and say good morning despite you being in the saddle.

I fear soon it will be ruined for the people who respect it and actually live nearby rather than riding here from surrounding towns on unplated abysmally maintained lean as fuck bikes and acting the fool.
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 18 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are bad to the bone! Think how many little fluffy bunnies you might have scared! Laughing

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PostPosted: 21:23 - 18 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should all be on private land, noisy cunts Middle Finger
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 18 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should write in to MCN, they would lap this up.
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 18 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harold_Shand wrote:
Should all be on private land, noisy cunts Middle Finger


As Soul_Trader said, I am not sure the act of riding on public land is actually illegal? The cop stressed the 'harm to others' type angle ... i.e. people get scared or I could hurt someone ...

To be honest, I'd say my bike is no louder than a barking dog ... the way I was riding it (trails is more a balancing act with burst of energy than riding fast) its no more scary than say a big dog coming pounding up at you ... at least if I see someone I stop/avoid them ... the dog comes up and jumps/growls at you*!!

Remember it is a TRIALS bike and spends most of its time at very low revs ... crossers ARE noisy and the sounds carrys, they also go very fast and churn up the area ... but mine is not a crosser ... its the least annoying and destructive of the off road bikes (compared to trail bikes and crossers). Also being in woods, the sound doesn't protrude anyway!

*I actually love dogs, but just trying to show the folly of it all - when doing stuff, I have met many an out of control LARGE (or small) dog ... but that is deemed as ok by the populous ... yet me minding my own business on a bike causes uproar!! ...

... sadly it is the same old story ... the few irresponsible people spoiling it for the many Sad
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PostPosted: 22:06 - 18 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistake 1) you stopped
mistake 2) you gave your real details



im pretty lucky as i live in a small valley with mountins and quarys, so dont get much bother........ although we have been chased a few times.

but your right, its the moto-x and the idiots with no lids on thats causing the problems
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PostPosted: 22:13 - 18 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

SVhovis650s wrote:

but your right, its the moto-x and the idiots with no lids on thats causing the problems


And lets be honest here, I/we are assuming they were actually yoofs possibly on a nicked bike causing a nuisance ...

It could well have been a yoof/s OR responsible adult riding out of harms way on a legit bike, not causing any real harm to anyone .... and just some busybody seeing a bike and reporting it ...

Even if it was yoofs - assuming it was on a legit bike and out of the way ... what would these people prefer, these kids amusing themselves on some waste ground on a bike - or roaming the streets in hoodies causing all sorts of unease/bedlam!?!? Wink

I hate this world we live in Sad
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PostPosted: 03:58 - 19 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harold_Shand wrote:
Should all be on private land, noisy cunts Middle Finger


I live on the edge of a big farm where the farmer and his sons are into MotoX, so they use a fallow field each year for them and their mates to wreck!! Fortunately, never been too close to my place but sounds like a swarm of angry hornets Shocked Quite a few Trials bikes whizz through too, as all Drovers' tracks and they're always polite and careful with the dogs running loose.

Unlucky Mr Blue Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 08:23 - 19 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was your bike taxed, MOT'd and insured?

Where you on 'private' land or on a green lane suitable for bikes?
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PostPosted: 09:17 - 19 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whosthedaddy wrote:
Was your bike taxed, MOT'd and insured?

Where you on 'private' land or on a green lane suitable for bikes?


No, no, no - its a proper trials bike, it isn't even road registered!!! It was 'public' woodland/wasteland - presumably ultimately owned by the council.

I wonder if I was riding round on a mountain bike if it would have caused the same concern/I could have got into trouble?? Confused
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PostPosted: 10:02 - 19 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue_SV650S wrote:
I wonder if I was riding round on a mountain bike if it would have caused the same concern/I could have got into trouble?? Confused


Probably not, because

a) they don't cause a noise nuisance
b) they do far less damage to the ground
c) there's far less chance of them injuring some dog walker

They have to put stiles on purpose built mountain bike trails now to stop cunts on mx bikes getting in there and wrecking the trails Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 10:09 - 19 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

maurice wrote:
Blue_SV650S wrote:
I wonder if I was riding round on a mountain bike if it would have caused the same concern/I could have got into trouble?? Confused


Probably not, because

a) they don't cause a noise nuisance
b) they do far less damage to the ground
c) there's far less chance of them injuring some dog walker

They have to put stiles on purpose built mountain bike trails now to stop cunts on mx bikes getting in there and wrecking the trails Rolling Eyes


I have already stated it was in woodland, the bike runs at low revvs most of the time and the sound won't travel (as in woods) ...

My trials bike weighs what 50kg? that is no more than an adult on a pushbike verses a kid on a trials bike ... therefore how will my trials bike do more harm than a large adult on a push-bike?

As I said in the OP, I am not disputing I was in the wrong, but some people need to get a serious grip on things if it was really me they had issues with ...


Finally if they have such a problem with bikes, then why not make a dedicated bike areas like they do dedicated BMX areas???

I mean no one rides BMX's these days anyway (in relative terms) ... what a waste of money/space!
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 19 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue_SV650S wrote:
I have already stated it was in woodland, the bike runs at low revvs most of the time and the sound won't travel (as in woods) ...


It seems it the sound was travelling far enough for someone to report it, if it was your bike generating it or not.

Blue_SV650S wrote:
My trials bike weighs what 50kg? that is no more than an adult on a pushbike verses a kid on a trials bike ... therefore how will my trials bike do more harm than a large adult on a push-bike?


So you're a kid on a trials bike now? You've still got far more power, do far more damage to the ground and are likely to be going faster. If you aren't going faster perhaps you should be on a bicycle Wink

Blue_SV650S wrote:
Finally if they have such a problem with bikes, then why not make a dedicated bike areas like they do dedicated BMX areas???


Why not stop waiting for someone else to do it, get your finger out and make/fund an area yourself?
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 19 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bottom line is unless youve got *written proof* you are allowed to be riding on the land then don't, if you dont wanna get caught.

+ If it was a community support officer they cant do much...
unless the laws have suddently changed
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PostPosted: 13:47 - 19 Dec 2008    Post subject: Re: Am I Public Enemy #1? Reply with quote

Electric pushbikes are an interesting option I've been looking at recently (can get some reasonable speed up with the less-legal ones, but people don't really realise they're more than a push-bike).

Sadly as with on-road, motorbikers and mountain bikers still often seem to be at odds with each other; blindly criticising the other with out thought about how others view them in the first place.

As ever in the UK, the populace at large is quite happy to accept minority activities restricted for the sake of a few loud moaners.
A lot of these moaners seem to forget that until recently this country was actually pretty damn 'loud' and a lot more 'dangerous' in general... that their friends when they were young were the ones making it loud and dangerous.
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 19 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a lot like the people that move near a race circuit then bitch about the noise and get stupid noise restrictions introduced. /rage
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PostPosted: 14:10 - 19 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't heard* mx'ers criticise mountain bikers, care to give me a sample? Smile

*probably because they were running an extra loud pipe to gain 2 bhp, attract attention and piss off 50% more people per mile.

Can never understand why you guys go to lengths to attract more attention to yourselves.
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PostPosted: 14:18 - 19 Dec 2008    Post subject: Re: Am I Public Enemy #1? Reply with quote

G wrote:

Sadly as with on-road, motorbikers and mountain bikers still often seem to be at odds with each other; blindly criticising the other with out thought about how others view them in the first place.


Never seen that - for the past year we have ridden on an almost weekly basis and get along great with Mountain bikers and Horse riders ... always say a cheery "hello" .. or Joe muffles some sort of greeting while spitting out Ginsters pie crumbs.

It is almost exclusively ramblers / general walkers that give us grief ... in fact, thinking about it, its 100% ramblers.
At least once a month we get some form of abuse or random strop.
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 19 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue_SV650S wrote:

its a proper trials bike, it isn't even road registered!!!

I wonder if I was riding round on a mountain bike if it would have caused the same concern/I could have got into trouble?? Confused


I cant make my mind up on this one Thinking

Part of me says that you should just accept it and not moan ... because you were riding a bike around in public with no insurance etc ... serves you right !

But then the point about what would have happened if it was a push bike makes me think "yeah - why pick on us".
If it was a pushbike then they would definitely be allowed to just go on their merry way.
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PostPosted: 14:55 - 19 Dec 2008    Post subject: Re: Am I Public Enemy #1? Reply with quote

silky666 wrote:

Never seen that - for the past year we have ridden on an almost weekly basis and get along great with Mountain bikers and Horse riders ... always say a cheery "hello" .. or Joe muffles some sort of greeting while spitting out Ginsters pie crumbs.


I concur, I go mtb'ing with my mates every weekend and we haven't exchanged one bad word with mx riders or even had attitude. As long as you're sticking to where you're supposed to be and not turning my favourite singletrack into sludge there's no issue!

The main difference between us is noise, mountain bikers can get away with riding illegally because their bikes don't advertise their presence and hence don't cause a problem.
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PostPosted: 15:00 - 19 Dec 2008    Post subject: Re: Am I Public Enemy #1? Reply with quote

silky666 wrote:

Never seen that - for the past year we have ridden on an almost weekly basis and get along great with Mountain bikers and Horse riders ... always say a cheery "hello" .. or Joe muffles some sort of greeting while spitting out Ginsters pie crumbs.

I watched one get rather angry as Joe splashed him... got the video to prove it too somewhere! (Why he decide to go past then, when he'd seen a few other bikes make a big splash I don't know!)

I have seen trail riders get annoyed with mountain bikers in the past; but the comment was aimed at the mountain bikers who also have similar anger aimed at them from walkers to what I see aimed at motorbikers from them.
As ever, people seem just to be out to look after their own and screw anyone else.

Where are you Blue_SV?... Wanna swap a ride on a trials bike for a play on a KTM200EXC? Razz
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PostPosted: 15:01 - 19 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

silky666 wrote:
because you were riding a bike around in public with no insurance etc ... serves you right !


To these dog owners have insurance then (their dogs could bite/attack me - probably a higher probability than me crashing into a human)? ... do these mountain bike riders have insurance then?

Oh and I am fairly sure my trials bike wouldn't have carried its sound from the woodland ... certainly not enough to be disturbing ...

It interesting/ a toughty isn't it .... I have seen yoofs being reckless and cusing physical and noise problems on bikes .. I can see there needs to something done ...

But for responsible individuals like me, I really don't think there should be any more concern than there is with mountain bike riders or horse riders ...

Finally ... what gives these people more 'right' to walk their dogs in the woods than me ride my bike?!!? Wink
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 19 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just stop arguing and going more and more off topic in a vain attempt to be right when you were clearly wrong in the first place.

As your bike was unregistered and no MOT or insurance you are damn lucky not to have it confiscated and even crushed like the minimotos a while back.
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PostPosted: 15:12 - 19 Dec 2008    Post subject: Re: Am I Public Enemy #1? Reply with quote

G wrote:

I have seen trail riders get annoyed with mountain bikers in the past; but the comment was aimed at the mountain bikers who also have similar anger aimed at them from walkers to what I see aimed at motorbikers from them.
As ever, people seem just to be out to look after their own and screw anyone else.


Pah, I've had like one rambler call me an idiot in years, and I suspect he was just a cock Smile
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