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Louise
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PostPosted: 12:22 - 28 Dec 2008    Post subject: Speed check cameras??? Reply with quote

Hi
Had a quick look but couldnt find nothing on here.
On a stretch of M271 going into Southampton they have a speed check area.
Yellow cams every few hundred yards apart with a 50 MPH zone.
Now, To my knowledge they are all forward facing so wont really affect me, however I noticed the last set on cameras are rear facing.
Early morning boxing day I did around 70 - was 4am.
This morning i did the same.
Bit worried now, is the last set off cams the one that snaps you?
If so I think im screwed Laughing 4 times to and fro in 2 days Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 12:48 - 28 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Supersport lives again!!! 12 points and two weeks of nail biting to find out. Shocked

In answer to your question . . . . . . Dunno? Confused
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PostPosted: 13:17 - 28 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I understand it, they read your plate and measure your average speed between TWO cameras.

I believe they don't work if you are in a different lane for each camera.

I'm not certain they are type approved for rearward facing use (don't quote me on this though). Are you sure that one wasn't "looking" at the opposite carriageway?
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PostPosted: 13:20 - 28 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
As I understand it, they read your plate and measure your average speed between TWO cameras.

I believe they don't work if you are in a different lane for each camera.

I'm not certain they are type approved for rearward facing use (don't quote me on this though). Are you sure that one wasn't "looking" at the opposite carriageway?


If you mean the SPECS system they stopped the lane loophole a couple of years ago. But the cameras are usually spread out over at leas half a mile. Confused
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 28 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I need to go back and check to put myself at ease Laughing
I think there is around 6? in a 2-3 miles stretch.
The last pair (which I think are rear facing) Could be for the other side, but thats overlooking my four lanes, to look at the other side.
Been told that rear ones aren't approved at the moment, how true that is I dont know.
Oh well, lessoned learnt.
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PostPosted: 15:47 - 28 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fing,that wasnt a loophole it was that the scameras couldnt phsically "see" 2 lanes at the same time Very Happy
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 28 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even if the rears arnt approved, they will have your leathers, helmet, bike etc in the average speed front ones, and then get your plate from the rear image and just do you for your average of the front facing ones. More than likely why theres a rear now, bikes and the like with no front plates blasting through.
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PostPosted: 19:04 - 28 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll be interested to hear how you get on Louise - they've only gone and installed the buggers on a stretch on the M5 that I pass regularly.

However, I don't know anyone that has been caught by specs cameras yet and that includes the M42...
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PostPosted: 19:04 - 28 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are rear facing ones? ive not seen them yet and i only wnet to town again yesterday,i know that they have moved some of the cams to diffrent locations but i cant see them getting any one as every 1 seems to be going faster than 50. They do have little cctv cams that ive seen along the road that i cant work out what they are used for so if you do get soming in the post these could have helped? .. wouldnt worrie about it
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PostPosted: 20:19 - 28 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

All the SPEC ones ive seen are front facing. Hence I never really slowed down. Just did around 70 in them.
Then the last set I see this morning were rear facing - and I have heard that these are comming into force.
Im hoping as someone said above that it was for the other side, untill I go back to have a look I wont know.
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PostPosted: 22:14 - 28 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

hello and dont worry about it i live in winchester and freqently ride down to westkey that way and cruise at 70-80mph the hole way and have never had a problem. And also those cameras are complete car only as they only record the front plate hope this helps
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 29 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I believe they don't work if you are in a different lane for each camera.

its an urban myth, when the 1st SPEC cameras where installed, there was aparently a software glitch that couldn`t tell the difference when you was switching from lane to lane. this software glitch has now been fixed.

You may not also be aware, that in some stretched of motorway where SPEC`s are in use, (the M1 roadworks for example) there are other cameras installed, both regular & IR cameras, these point in all sorts of directions, though primarily for monitoring traffic conditions, I wouldn`t be suprised if it wasn`t possible to co-ordinate the images of vehicles and timings of offences to use against you.
Speeding in roadworks, can also lead to charges of other offences being committed, such as dangerous driving
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 29 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just thought of something even more worrying..
It would be 18 points if the cameras are rear facing.
As ive been to and fro 3 times - each way in 3 days.
Record ? If it happens Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:56 - 30 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

The roadworks on the M62 have seperate camera's that read the rear number plate of all vehicles that pass through which are used in the event of a bike or car with no front number plate speeding.
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PostPosted: 18:27 - 30 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

RatBlack wrote:
The roadworks on the M62 have seperate camera's that read the rear number plate of all vehicles that pass through which are used in the event of a bike or car with no front number plate speeding.


Uh oh . . . . Confused

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PostPosted: 17:59 - 30 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'll be interested to hear how you get on Louise - they've only gone and installed the buggers on a stretch on the M5 that I pass regularly.

Well nothing in the post *phew*
Also, 27th just gone done my DAS 2 years ago - so full on 12 points allowed.
Gone really quick.
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PostPosted: 18:09 - 30 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peirre o`Bollox wrote:
its an urban myth, when the 1st SPEC cameras where installed, there was aparently a software glitch that couldn`t tell the difference when you was switching from lane to lane. this software glitch has now been fixed.


Not a software glitch. It would be quite easy to do. Just that each camera covers a lane and their type approval only covered them when installed in pairs.

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PostPosted: 20:34 - 30 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Louise wrote:
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I'll be interested to hear how you get on Louise - they've only gone and installed the buggers on a stretch on the M5 that I pass regularly.

Well nothing in the post *phew*
Also, 27th just gone done my DAS 2 years ago - so full on 12 points allowed.
Gone really quick.


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PostPosted: 22:32 - 30 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walking ? whats that lol

Well due to dieting I have been walking alot Embarassed Dont seem to be helping tho!!!
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 31 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 09:29 - 01 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The forward facing camera's don't use radar to see how fast you are going they do an ANPR check on the front number plate and record the time. All number plates are recorded. Then when you pass the next camera it does the same, works out the time it took you to get from camera A --> B and knowing the distance you can work out the speed.

We don't have front plates fitted the camera doesn't even know that you've gone past it and that's why you didn't get done. I've never got done by them either on the M1, M40, M6 or M5 to name but a few.

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PostPosted: 09:46 - 01 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been told they can't correlate a front facing camera to using a traffic camera to identify a bike. Well, they can, but it's so time involving and risky in terms of prosecution they just won't do it.

They only did that chap on the beemer he went through that front facing camera at silly speeds showing the V sign so many times he pissed them off Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 01 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
I've been told they can't correlate a front facing camera to using a traffic camera to identify a bike. Well, they can, but it's so time involving and risky in terms of prosecution they just won't do it.


I think that's the crux of it. This is the same people who forget to switch off the info signs telling you there's queueing traffic ahead, or that it's a temporary 40mph on the M'Way when the accident was cleared up 6hrs previous!

Anyway, they don't know that we've been speeding because there's no radar so how will they know that they've got to stitch a case together with multiple camera's, feed's and stills etc?

Unless someone's watching the live feeds when you appear to be doing Mach2 on the rear wheel whilst somehow weaving through the cars I think you're always going to be fine... until rear facing cameras are the norm.
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PostPosted: 15:24 - 01 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Little bit more info on the SPECS camera's for those interested;

https://www.speedcamerasuk.com/SPECS.htm

Basically as mentioned they only read the number plates using ANPR, so there's no picture of the offender - ie no proof at all that it was you! Very easy to get done if your plates have been cloned (car drivers). If it went to court it's pretty much impossible to prove that it wasn't you, at least with Gatso's you have a physical copy of a picture of the speeding vehicle!

As for bikes, physically impossible to be done due to having no front number plates, this system may be adapted in the future to read rear number plates but there's a number of technical difficulties as to why this would not be done.

Personally I absolutely HATE these cameras, yes they are very effective at keeping drivers/riders speed down over prolonged distances (essential to the safety of road maintenance workers) BUT people are so focused on their speedo that they stop paying attention to the road Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 17:11 - 01 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those one's are defo front facing ones!!!

Have you noticed the ones on M27 around the roadworks have now disappeared, but the traffic is still trundling along obeying the speedlimit!!!
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