Call for use of car (and bikes!) speed-limiters

[steppen22]

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20081230/tuk-call-for-use-of-car-speed-limiters-6323e80.html

It's going to happen, not for any high fallutin reasons, but because any government - by definition - seeks to expand its control, and the British government knows that the British people will grumble in their arm chairs but otherwise roll over like submissives, as they always do.

CfIT vice-chairman David Leeder said on Tuesday: "This important report shows the very real benefits to motorists from the introduction and use of an ISA system - not just in road safety but also in terms of fuel and money saved."

This is the lamo reasoning that these people come up with it: just assertion, no evidence. The report, for example, doesn;t show that an ISA shows "real benefits to motorists in terms of fuel/costs", the most it could show is that going slower saves fuel - if someone sees this as a great benefit, they can go slower. The ISA doesn't even enter the equation unless we're talking about forcing it on ppl - which David Leeder, meely mouthed scumbag that he is, hasn't got the balls to come out and say.

Anyway, enjoy 71 mph whilst you can. Becuase you won't be going that fast for much longer.
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[Feasty]

I'm pretty sure that when this stuff comes out into every day circulation on every vehicle there'll be plenty of tips on how to disable it!

There's always a way round these things if you try hard enough, just think of the number of ways you can now stop yourself getting caught by speed cameras!
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Hi

They are not saying for them to be compulsory either in that report (although no doubt various anti car special interest groups will call for them to be compulsory, so making driving less pleasant).

However what you have missed is that the research into ISA is being done in Leeds by a guy whose view of it on bikes was that it was irrelevant as bikes should be banned (hence why the bike ISA came along several years after trials of large numbers of cars, and probably why it was such a useless mess that was rapidly dropped).

All the best

Keith
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[Nick__C]

tbh i think you fail in how you delievered that.
+1 to what keith said.
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[Itchy]

Nah just a back door method to introduce road pricing,

Ie first its not manditory then it is...

So all cars / bikes have GPS (via Galileo satellites*) tracking , then completely by coincidence of course a extra bit of software of module is to be added such that it becomes manditory and charges you £5 per mile whenever you drive whereever you drive.


Its weasle method TBH ,in that they know there is no reasonable method to disagree with this (oh think of the children) and thus they use this method rather than the overt manner nobody wants.


Galileo satellites are kind of dumb in that they decided to build it first THEN find reasons to justify the existance, namely due to the bribes given to EU commissars .
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Hi

No need at all for any kind of vehicle tracking for ISA.

All the best

Keith
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[Itchy]

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[Itchy]

Maybe if it is combined with enforcement....

but I've noticed something odd this year in that although I've done lots of ferrying people about in a car I've not been breath tested this year at all, while every year prior to 2008 I've been breath tested around the new year period.....

It only bothers me because of the inconveience as I don't booze in the UK at all now and never drink and drive anyway.
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Hi

True, but with likely hideous penalties for interfering should it be made compulsory then it would take virtually no enforcement and would be a lot easier to spot than someone vaguely over the limit.

All the best

Keith
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[daemonoid]

Not a chance of this becoming compulsory... They make too much from fines. The politicians will happily protect 'civil liberties' if it's beneficial to the tax take. The only way this kind of device will make it to the streets is if we end up with the green party in power or if the insurance companies start to demand it.
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[Itchy]

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[Itchy]

What ever do you mean ? , something like this?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/4016444/Drivers-to-have-10-year-health-checks-under-driver-licence-reforms.html

whereby ALL drivers are required to pay £80 a pop to be health tested to see if they are fit to drive?....

Looks like a cash generator to me..... simplest method would be to ban seat belts and airbags , natural selection for the win.
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[Feasty]

I always thought a long, sharp spike sticking out of the centre of the steering wheel might also aid natural selection for the double win.
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(7 year gap), BMW F650 (Relaxing ride). Aprilia Caponord ETV1000 (Big and bold). Yamaha FZS600 (got me in trouble too quick!).
Current: Yamaha TDM 900 (Comfy, light but big, power when needed).

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[Skudd]

There is no infrastructure in place nor will there be for every very very very very very very very long time. Just mapping the roads and allocating a speed limit for it will take years and billions of pounds/euros, then there is the implementation of it. you will all be long gone before it even gets off the ground let alone actually being used.

It would be far cheaper and easier to get the 16-24 year olds to stop killing themselves and others on the road, even wearing a seat belt that many, even in this day and age, don't bother to do would dramatically cut the number of deaths on the road.
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[bikedemon99]

What you all worrying about, they cant slow bikes down or make them brake to slow them as it would be far to dangerous to the rider, if you were taking a bend and suddenly your brakes came on it could quite easily get you killed, this is for cars and such, not two wheels
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Hi

A bike system has already been built and trialed. And applying the brakes mid corner in a car could equally have nasty effects.

All the best

Keith
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