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alun111
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PostPosted: 11:46 - 07 Jan 2009    Post subject: Hornet owners opinions Reply with quote

Hi everyone.

After an off the other day I looked into getting some crash bungs for my 2000 hornet 6. There's a guy on ebay who is willing to make me some up of my own specified length (after emailing him and asking how long they are he mentioned he'd be willing to do this).

My question is.... In an ideal world I'd want them to be long enough so that my handlebars don't touch the floor in the event off an off. I have bar-end mirrors you see which have snapped off twice now due to coming off.. they look in a shit state now and I don't really want to replace them as they act as crash protection so could potentially be fucked up again.

Would the engine mounts on the hornet be strong enough to take the weight of the bike or am I risking damage to my frame/engine here just to save the mirrors?

What length would you recommend otherwise?

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PostPosted: 12:04 - 07 Jan 2009    Post subject: Re: Hornet owners opinions Reply with quote

alun111 wrote:
In an ideal world I'd want them to be long enough so that my handlebars don't touch the floor in the event off an off.


They would have to be very long to offer that kind of protection! At least you won't need a side stand any more! Laughing

Bungs are designed to afford 'some' protection to the bike, but I don't think that really long bungs would help compared to standard crash bungs in my opinion. Fortunately I've only ever dropped my bike a couple of times at low speed, and the standard length bungs did their job and protected the fairings and cans. Wouldn't know what to expect from them in a high speed off.

Can't you fit small mirrors that sit on the underside of the bars rather than on the ends?
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PostPosted: 12:15 - 07 Jan 2009    Post subject: Re: Hornet owners opinions Reply with quote

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They would have to be very long to offer that kind of protection! At least you won't need a side stand any more! Laughing

Bungs are designed to afford 'some' protection to the bike, but I don't think that really long bungs would help compared to standard crash bungs in my opinion. Fortunately I've only ever dropped my bike a couple of times at low speed, and the standard length bungs did their job and protected the fairings and cans. Wouldn't know what to expect from them in a high speed off.

Can't you fit small mirrors that sit on the underside of the bars rather than on the ends?


I can't really fit the mirrors underneath the bars/fit different mirrors underneath because of the view if offers. I get the best view out of the mirrors where they are now.

There are obviously a few different bungs on ebay, and I'm not really sure which will offer the best protection. The cheapest ones (at buy it now) were 80mm long, and the ones that I emailed the guy about were 50mm long.

I don't really want to shell out for R&G either.
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PostPosted: 12:21 - 07 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think you'll get any long enough to stop the handlebars touching down. The bars aren't that expensive to replace anyway. Most people say that a crash cage is your best bet, as I'd be more worried about putting a hole in a casing than my bars/mirrors.

The big R&G ones are meant to be good, I think Big Ham has some.
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 07 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had crash bungs on my 250 when I came off. they broke the engine mount (on the engine), was a 30mph off on the M42. Got it fixed for £30 although it isn't a tidy job because of the restricted access to the engine. Although I still road 120 miles home that day so it did some good and some bad.
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 07 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

R and G racing ones are the best for the Hornet, but you aren't going to prevent any and all damage to the bike with crash bungs.

If you wanted to make a bike crashproof you'd have to design it like that from the outset, which manufacturers won't do.
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 07 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
R and G racing ones are the best for the Hornet, but you aren't going to prevent any and all damage to the bike with crash bungs.

If you wanted to make a bike crashproof you'd have to design it like that from the outset, which manufacturers won't do.


Are those the fat ones or the "aero" ones? What makes you say they're best? Personal opinion or based on other people's views?

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PostPosted: 17:40 - 07 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

alun111 wrote:
MarJay wrote:
R and G racing ones are the best for the Hornet, but you aren't going to prevent any and all damage to the bike with crash bungs.

If you wanted to make a bike crashproof you'd have to design it like that from the outset, which manufacturers won't do.


Are those the fat ones or the "aero" ones? What makes you say they're best? Personal opinion or based on other people's views?

Cheers


I've seen people with Hornets crash on the fat R and Gs, and they've hurt themselves more than the bike was damaged. (scrapes to bar ends and to the protectors but not much else).
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PostPosted: 18:07 - 07 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham has some BSD ones which he's willing to sel cheaply... I think. He offered them to me but only reason I've said no is well... you know Laughing

also, getting too long ones will be stupid. The only way I can see it causing damage to the frame or engine is if the bike flips and lands on the bung. Like it did with mine Sad. Frame wasn't damaged though. They were the big chunky ones I think.

Bars are cheap to replace (15 quid for renthals). It's just the mirrors. Why not get some nicer looking ones that fit in the OEM spot?
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PostPosted: 18:27 - 07 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

As has been said R&G's are the way to go on the Hornet...

Generally speaking if any bungs are sticking out wider than the handlebars you went wrong somewhere Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:59 - 07 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

R&Gs definately the best a man can get! seen them work, definately worth the extra 20 quid! will be getting some R&G's for my hornet in a few week myself after ive serviced it
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 07 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

engine bars or crash bungs are primarily designed to protect your engine, very little else ...

to hopefully protect your mirrors (no guarantees) you'd need a crashbar that sits quite high on the frame towards the headstock and nearly as wide as your handlebars ....

the only other ways i can think of would be to either wrap your whole bike in a giant crash cage or more simple .....

stop crashing
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 07 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

A mate of mine crashed a 90+ mph wheelie on his Hornet, he had RnGs on, all he did was scuff his bar end and seat unit, ok he was lucky the bike didnt roll but still just the odd scuff here and there, nothing was bent or properly damaged.
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PostPosted: 19:50 - 07 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

JakeSM50 wrote:
A mate of mine crashed a 90+ mph wheelie on his Hornet, he had RnGs on, all he did was scuff his bar end and seat unit, ok he was lucky the bike didnt roll but still just the odd scuff here and there, nothing was bent or properly damaged.


They werent the r and g ones where they ? i though they where a mushroom shape.
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PostPosted: 20:12 - 07 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick606 wrote:
JakeSM50 wrote:
A mate of mine crashed a 90+ mph wheelie on his Hornet, he had RnGs on, all he did was scuff his bar end and seat unit, ok he was lucky the bike didnt roll but still just the odd scuff here and there, nothing was bent or properly damaged.


They werent the r and g ones where they ? i though they where a mushroom shape.


Ohh shit yeah, he put r and gs on because he bent them mushroom ones after that crash i remember now, still he crashed a wheelie at 90 odd and the bike did fookin well. Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:37 - 07 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
I've seen people with Hornets crash on the fat R and Gs, and they've hurt themselves more than the bike was damaged. (scrapes to bar ends and to the protectors but not much else).


Sounds good to me. I'll have to stop caring about the mirrors, they only cost £25 anyway, and I've bodged them on twice now (just by using a different length bolt and tapping holes!

m0l0t0v wrote:
Big_Ham has some BSD ones which he's willing to sel cheaply

Bars are cheap to replace (15 quid for renthals). It's just the mirrors. Why not get some nicer looking ones that fit in the OEM spot?


BSD?

Also... renthals are more like £25 now! Sad

I like my mirrors, great view of the road behind, no elbows in there, and they look shit-hot too.

TheDonUK wrote:
As has been said R&G's are the way to go on the Hornet...

Generally speaking if any bungs are sticking out wider than the handlebars you went wrong somewhere :Thumbs Up:


Yer, I realise that now after actually looking at the bike....HAHA! Embarassed

NiteMare wrote:
engine bars or crash bungs are primarily designed to protect your engine, very little else ...

to hopefully protect your mirrors (no guarantees) you'd need a crashbar that sits quite high on the frame towards the headstock and nearly as wide as your handlebars ....

the only other ways i can think of would be to either wrap your whole bike in a giant crash cage or more simple .....

stop crashing


I don't think I'll bother protecting the mirrors now anyway... thanks for the thoughts though.
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PostPosted: 02:32 - 08 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

alun111 wrote:


BSD?

Also... renthals are more like £25 now! Sad

I like my mirrors, great view of the road behind, no elbows in there, and they look shit-hot too.


Yeah BSD ones. They do a few thngs... If you go on their website they had a BSD Hornet bike with spec'd forks, shock, and engine. Was making 92 at the wheel I believe. Custom riser plates to fit fireblade rearsets... Loads of stuff.

Mirrors may look great yes and eb able to see. But the bad thing is the damage to them when you fall.

So stop complaining Wink

I just rode without mirrors Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:09 - 08 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, haven't been on here recently, I felt like I was about to die yesterday(inflamed lung lining Shocked) so I wasn't on. Laughing

The big R&G bungs are very good, however they can break the lower engine mount where the bolt goes throug in heavier crashes, very good for low speed of course.

I have the big BSD bungs on my track bike now. The reason I chose BSD over the R&G bungs was that when I crashed the track bike with them last year(About 40mph IIRC) the bolt holding them on bent (like it should) as oppose to it cracking or snapping the engine mount. So I'm a convert for the hornet.

I do have a set of smaller BSD's that I bought by mistake. You're welcome to them if you want them. They aren't as huge as the big R&G's or the big BSD's, but they are much cheaper and would still be good enough for road use.

IMO if you really want the extra protection of the big bungs go BSD anyway. The are £15 less than the R&G's, and in my experience you stand less chance of busting the engine mount.

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PostPosted: 13:19 - 08 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Inflamed lung lining? You be smoking something funky?

Have the bolts that come with the R&G bungs been hardened too much or something?
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 08 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

alun111 wrote:
Inflamed lung lining? You be smoking something funky?

Have the bolts that come with the R&G bungs been hardened too much or something?


I guess so, the lower engine mounts on the hornet aren't that strong anyway and went the R&G's take the hit it can go. I'm not saying it won't happen with the BSD bungs, but they should stand more of a chance of keeping the mount in one piece.

(O and apparently it's the aftermath of a chest infection. Confused Either way it hurt like hell yesterday, but I'm on pain killers now so it isn't quite as bad.)
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