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PostPosted: 19:09 - 01 Dec 2008    Post subject: Road tax Reply with quote

If motorcycle were tax exempt then more people would use them, end of traffic jams no congestion, good for planet earth cut down on global warming, cars would be more used to seeing motorcycles on the roads so would look out for them more, so if the government are serious about being greener then theres the answer
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 01 Dec 2008    Post subject: Re: Road tax Reply with quote

Nooo... we'd get all sorts of numpties riding scooters, half dithering in a panic, the other half thinking they know all about filtering (as has been seen in London).
Nevermind people realising that they can get a vehicle with the performance of a £300k supercar for the price of a fiesta; then finding out you do need a bit of skill to use it.

And in the end tax is still a relatively small amount of the cost for regular vehicle users; especially remembering the cheaper 'eco friendly' car tax brackets.
Bike tax is already a fair bit cheaper than most car tax.
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PostPosted: 19:31 - 01 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

about two months ago i got tax for mine and i think it was only 48quid for 12months and my friend got tax for his mazda 6 and that was 168 or something close to that

so i would say its not like it puts a big hole in your pocket
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PostPosted: 19:35 - 01 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Personally think VED should be scrapped. Serves no real purpose except as an expensive to collect extra tax. Could easily be replaced with a couple of pence on fuel. Not even the global warming industry could complain about that as in that case people would be paying exactly for the amount of CO2 they emit (OK, might need a slightly higher fuel duty for diesel than petrol).

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PostPosted: 20:00 - 01 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

_steve_ wrote:
about two months ago i got tax for mine and i think it was only 48quid for 12months and my friend got tax for his mazda 6 and that was 168 or something close to that

so i would say its not like it puts a big hole in your pocket


Thats not the point, if its free then it would be promoted as being so, people dont really known how cheap motorcycle tax can be but free from tax is better, also I would sooner have ditherers on scooters than in cars, think about it cause it could only help us plus how could the cops have motorcycles banned in a motorcycling britain!!!
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PostPosted: 20:09 - 01 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Personally think VED should be scrapped. Serves no real purpose except as an expensive to collect extra tax. Could easily be replaced with a couple of pence on fuel. Not even the global warming industry could complain about that as in that case people would be paying exactly for the amount of CO2 they emit (OK, might need a slightly higher fuel duty for diesel than petrol).

All the best

Keith


The problem with this is the defence of revenues, in that people in the UK thought fuel was expensive, so they bought smaller more economical cars..

This caused the government to lose revenue, so they hiked fuel taxes and road taxes....

and so on...

Its why the gov want road pricing because who knows what fuels vehicles in the future may run on? ...

And what if people started building Craig Vetter specials, ie the ones that get nigh 300mpg? , or 190mpg if ridden normally?...

Then you'd probably get a NOx problem and no tax revenues....


The solution is simple, take a huge axe to the public services....

Things like diversity consultants, 5 a day consultants, and people who are employed to watch the council photocopier......
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Kickstart
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 01 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
The problem with this is the defence of revenues, in that people in the UK thought fuel was expensive, so they bought smaller more economical cars..

This caused the government to lose revenue, so they hiked fuel taxes and road taxes....


Overall fuel duties and taxes have not really gone up above inflation for years (oil prices have, which gave them a bit more VAT)

Itchy wrote:
Its why the gov want road pricing because who knows what fuels vehicles in the future may run on? ...


Very true on that point.

Itchy wrote:
The solution is simple, take a huge axe to the public services....

Things like diversity consultants, 5 a day consultants, and people who are employed to watch the council photocopier......


One of which is the DVLA, most of which is pointless. Collecting a pointless and expensive to collect tax. Contributes nothing.

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PostPosted: 16:19 - 19 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Costs you less to buy a new low emission car and tax it than it does to tax a bike now how`s that work.
Government just encouraging more road congestion if you ask me. Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 19 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

inchi55 wrote:
Costs you less to buy a new low emission car and tax it than it does to tax a bike now how`s that work.
Government just encouraging more road congestion if you ask me. Thumbs Down


I totally agree and thats my point
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 19 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

inchi55 wrote:
Costs you less to buy a new low emission car and tax it than it does to tax a bike now how`s that work.
Government just encouraging more road congestion if you ask me. Thumbs Down


Unless you own a 50 Wink

But other wise, yes I fully agree, my aunty owns a 2006 pug 206 that is a 1.4 and runs on Diesel , it costs £35 for the tax for 12 months.
Compared to my 2000 Kawasaki ER-500 which is £48 to tax for the year.
Yet I'm sure that the bike produces a lot less co2 and harmfull emissions than the car does.
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 19 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

jamie stokes wrote:

Yet I'm sure that the bike produces a lot less co2 and harmfull emissions than the car does.

Bikes have less harsh emissions legistlation I believe and aren't tested at MOT. Change that to compare something like a Fiesta Diesel (70mpg or so) vs a 600cc sports bike with the same tax prices above and mile for mile the bike is probably significantly worse.

Incidentally, electric bikes are free on tax, but only generally good for slower commuting.
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PostPosted: 17:23 - 07 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone work at an mot station that would do an emission test on a bike just to compare. we would have to take into account the lack of a cat though. Exclamation
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PostPosted: 17:33 - 07 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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MOT doesn't really give much. The test is very basic compared to those done on new vehicles for homologation.

That said I did get a local MOT station to do a quick emissions test on my 1200 Bandit about 10 years ago. It would have barely squeezed through the MOT for a non cat car on CO.

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PostPosted: 17:58 - 07 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
...VED should be scrapped....easily be replaced with a couple of pence on fuel...OK, might need a slightly higher fuel duty for diesel than petrol...

Why?
It can be easy to argue that diesel is actually carbon neutral.
The by product of diesel production is LPG.
Which can then be used to power cars.
So the production diesel CO2 is offset by the LPG lower emissions.

AFAIK petrol production doesn't really give any useful planet saving products.

Or something like that Wink
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PostPosted: 19:53 - 07 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

inchi55 wrote:
Anyone work at an mot station that would do an emission test on a bike just to compare. we would have to take into account the lack of a cat though. Exclamation


I do yes, Ill see if the boss with let me do the TS.
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PostPosted: 20:05 - 07 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

jamie stokes wrote:
inchi55 wrote:
Anyone work at an mot station that would do an emission test on a bike just to compare. we would have to take into account the lack of a cat though. Exclamation


I do yes, Ill see if the boss with let me do the TS.


Yer but isn't the ts a 2stroke so thats going to be really shit.
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PostPosted: 20:53 - 07 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:
Why?
It can be easy to argue that diesel is actually carbon neutral.
The by product of diesel production is LPG.


At most that just means a lower tax for lpg.

All the best

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PostPosted: 23:52 - 07 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think in some ways having the tax is a good idea. As you cannot get taxed without valid documents, insurance etc..
helps flag up people who don't follow the law. as most people who don't have the tax are unlikely to have insurance or MOT aswell, or valid license/requirements to ride the bike
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PostPosted: 00:02 - 08 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

But you can easily have you MOT and / or insurance run out the day after the tax starts, and MOT and insurance can be checked just as easily as a tax disk.

All the best

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PostPosted: 10:51 - 08 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get it on the Gas FFS...
But it makes sense so no-one will listen to me.. Sad
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PostPosted: 19:16 - 15 Jan 2009    Post subject: Re: Road tax Reply with quote

bikedemon99 wrote:
good for planet earth cut down on global warming, cars would be more used to seeing motorcycles on the roads so would look out for them more, so if the government are serious about being greener then theres the answer


If i remember right 'Bikes use more fuel then cars when u take weight to mpg in account..' Of course depends on what car and what bike, but in general.. Neutral
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PostPosted: 23:26 - 15 Jan 2009    Post subject: Re: Road tax Reply with quote

bootsbiker wrote:
If i remember right 'Bikes use more fuel then cars when u take weight to mpg in account..' Of course depends on what car and what bike, but in general.. Neutral


Depends how you think about it... Car engines are more fuel efficient, but in reality you're not bothered about the 1-2 tonnes that tags along, you're just moving just the 80kgs of occupant.
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PostPosted: 07:34 - 16 Jan 2009    Post subject: Re: Road tax Reply with quote

bootsbiker wrote:
bikedemon99 wrote:
good for planet earth cut down on global warming, cars would be more used to seeing motorcycles on the roads so would look out for them more, so if the government are serious about being greener then theres the answer


If i remember right 'Bikes use more fuel then cars when u take weight to mpg in account..' Of course depends on what car and what bike, but in general.. Neutral

Why would you take weight to mpg into account? It should be mpg per person transported, and on my daily commute I'd say 4 out of 5 cars have one and only one occupant.
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PostPosted: 07:57 - 16 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

will it isn't the point i was trying to make..

if i had my way i would ban cars from london altogether..

If u have 4/5 people in cars like u should then they use less fuel per person.. If u have twats that sit in a car by themselves then the car is using more fuel per person.

It is the people in the cars not the engine... In general.. Bikes also high a higher revs which means they burn more fuel etc.. blah blah..
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PostPosted: 09:03 - 16 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

bootsbiker wrote:
will it isn't the point i was trying to make..

if i had my way i would ban cars from london altogether..

If u have 4/5 people in cars like u should then they use less fuel per person.. If u have twats that sit in a car by themselves then the car is using more fuel per person.


Oh right, sorry mate, I see what you mean and I couldn't agree more.
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