Anyone knowledgable about vans?? fix or sell as is...

Sparks! · Sir Tart-a-lot Joined: 30 Aug 2003 Karma :

I have got an X reg Fiat Scudo 2ltr JTD, 2 owners from new (inc. me) was company owned before me so never wanted for anything.. it's blue, pretty good condition inside and out, I've only used it for taking my bikes about. It's very clean interior, runs really well and has never let me down. 130k, full factory bulkhead fitted and an alarm/remote central locking. It's by no means mint condition, but in my opinion its very good for a van of its year.

However it failed the MOT to my suprise and needs a catalytic convertor and front suspension arms, as well as rear suspension bushes. The main dealer I had the MOT done at quoted stupid prices for parts so I've not really done anything about fixing it.

However, as it's sat at my house doing nothing I gave the MOT failure sheet to another garage and now I have a quote of £318 for all the parts to fix and he reckons including labour it should be fixed for around £500 probably less.

Problem is I don't have £500 spare right now so struggling to afford to get it fixed, but I want it gone really... do you think I'd have much luck selling as it is for around £1500? I was hoping for £2000 with it all fixed. Judging by ebay prices it seems the going rate for a good runner.

Anyone here knowledgable about these things and able to advise?
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piazza · Could Be A Chat Bot Joined: 23 Aug 2008 Karma :

Surely an mot would be better for selling it,I'd be wondering why have a full service history and no mot.

Also i doubt the bushes will be dear or difficult to do,done mine in 20 minutes catalyst easy as just have to scource one cheap that just leaves the arms.

Sparks! · Sir Tart-a-lot Joined: 30 Aug 2003 Karma :

piazza · Could Be A Chat Bot Joined: 23 Aug 2008 Karma :

The point is if you were looking for a 2000 van would you buy the one 500quid cheaper and spend 500 on it to bring it up to spec ?

Stick the bill on your credit card and pay it off when you sell the van which will be much quicker to do with an mot as i'm sure you realise.

I was not suggesting you would bam someone up by the way :up:

Sparks! · Sir Tart-a-lot Joined: 30 Aug 2003 Karma :

MattEMulsion · World Chat Champion Joined: 29 Aug 2004 Karma :

When someone advertises a vehicle using the phrase 'will fly through an MOT' or in your case, 'has no MOT but only needs this, this & this doing to pass' then they are often treated with contempt. If someone has gone to the trouble of prepping a vehicle for an MOT or knows what it needs to get it through it begs the question WHY haven't they just got it done in the first place???

It is much easier to sell it with a full MOT than without. Thumbs Up

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WildGoose · White Van Man Joined: 21 Mar 2002 Karma :

Given current climate anyway will make it much more difficult than usual, not many will be looking to update their fleet or replace older models.

Naturally fixer uppers will be even less popular than usual. And scrap is worth fuck all at the moment. So that doesn't leave you with many choices.

Apathy is always a winner though if you have the drive space Wink

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tafflade · Nitrous Nuisance Joined: 27 Apr 2007 Karma :

when you are ready to sell it send an advert to

https://agilitynet.co.uk/activepages/fleamarket.asp

there is a good market for clean scudo vans amongst the dog agility people, if you can find a set of cages cheap to go in there that'll get it sold in days Wink

Faldo · World Chat Champion Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Karma :

If you can sort the labour yourself I can supply all the parts inc delivery for £270, if that's any help.
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Kickstart · The Oracle Joined: 04 Feb 2002 Karma :

Hi

If I was looking for a vehicle and saw one for sale with no MOT, I would want to pay far less than the price of a good one minus the MOT just for the risk.

For spares these people might be worth a try:-

https://www.shop4parts.co.uk

All the best

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Faldo · World Chat Champion Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Karma :

Another thing that you might want to bear in mind if you were to repair it:

Is it definitely just the front wishbones that are required? If it's just the bushes you should be OK, but a very common problem on Scudos is the hubs. The ball joints are actually built into the bottom of the hubs, so if ball joints are required you have to replace the hubs. New ones are only available new from main dealer (I'd imagine they'd very expensive), or if you're lucky you might find decent second hand ones.

I'd imagine it would be mentioned on an MOT failure sheet, but before shelling out on the other parts it might be a good idea to ensure that hubs aren't required.
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Robby · Dirty Old Man Joined: 16 May 2002 Karma :

In my experience, you can sell anything on ebay as long as it's broken.

I would list it with a low starting price and a high reserve, and hope you get a bidding war going. Having a fair buy it now on there as well will make buyers think that's what it's worth, so getting it for less represents a bargain.

I'm basing this on the idea that you feel unwilling or unable to do the work yourself, so you're looking at a £500+ bill overall.

Cigaro · World Chat Champion Joined: 28 Mar 2007 Karma :

Suspension arms aren't that hard to fit on most vehicles, about half an hour's work each side (not including taking the wheels off, jacking it up, etc).

Do it yourself. It's not that hard.

Out of all those parts the cat will be the real killer, maybe you can find one second hand that's a bit cheaper?

Sparks! · Sir Tart-a-lot Joined: 30 Aug 2003 Karma :

Fuck it the vans going on my drive this weekend, I'm taking the wheels off find exactly what the fook is wrong with it (the MOT fail sheet is kind of vague! I guess they want to do the work themselves so not being too helpful) they say excessive play and quote for new wishbones... the rear just says bushes excess play so guess rear can just change bushes, not sure how it works.

I can work on bikes, I'm sure I can sort a van out? Laughing

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Sparks! · Sir Tart-a-lot Joined: 30 Aug 2003 Karma :

Is anyone able to confirm if Citroen Dispatch wishbones will fit a Scudo? They are the same vans with different engines as far as I'm aware? Found a place to get the wishbones for £45 a set new and a cat convertor for £85 + VAT but don't want to get the wrong wishbones! Also anyone know if a fitting kit of any kind would be required extra to the wishbones or if I'll have everything I need already?
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Faldo · World Chat Champion Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Karma :

The wishbones are the same.

However, there are 2 types of cat converter for a 2000MY Scudo JTD and another type from 2001 onwards that ran concurrently, again common to Dispatch/Expert.
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.Chris. · World Chat Champion Joined: 09 Jun 2007 Karma :

Strange that they say the catalytic converter needs replacing. At MOT the only emissions diesel vehicles are tested for is smoke, and the cat won't have any impact on that.

Unless it's got a hole in it or something.
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Sparks! · Sir Tart-a-lot Joined: 30 Aug 2003 Karma :

Faldo · World Chat Champion Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Karma :

Hi,
The catalogue I use says the following:

FIAT SCUDO 2.0JTD (c/n RP08576-08973) 6/00-8/03
FIAT SCUDO 2.0JTD (from c/n RP08974) 6/01-
FIAT SCUDO 2.0JTD (upto c/n RP08575) 9/99-5/00

The problem is that a Scudo is a rebadged PSA vehicle, so the chassis number will not correspond to the one given to it by Fiat.

If yours is a 2000 model we can forget about the second one.

The first one looks like this:

https://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/yellaninja/scudo1.jpg

The third looks like this:

https://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/yellaninja/scudo2.jpg

The difference is a very slight change in the angle of the pipe exiting the cat.

If you want to PM me your reg number I can check when your vehicle was registered which might give more of a clue.
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Cigaro · World Chat Champion Joined: 28 Mar 2007 Karma :

Sparks! · Sir Tart-a-lot Joined: 30 Aug 2003 Karma :

I've ordered the front wishbones, going to replace them this coming Sunday... I'll have a look at the cat convertor whilst I'm doing it and find exactly how bad the hole is etc.. then I'll post back here , cheers Smile

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