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Posted: 04:56 - 16 Jan 2009 Post subject: Ccm r30 |
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Right, I am thinking about getting a ccm supermoto in just under 2 months and I am looking for some advice. I have been looking at the R30 model to use as a everyday bike.
What's the difference between the Suzuki engine in the newer models and the rotax engine that was used in the older models in terms of power, reliability and general comparison?
I have read mixed reviews on the build quality and the service provided by ccm. Anyone have any first hand experience about this?
Any other helpfull pointers?
Cheers ccm geeks x
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Posted: 10:02 - 16 Jan 2009 Post subject: Re: Ccm r30 |
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Some people claim the Rotax is reliable, some that it can be really bad. Judging by the numbers of both, I'd say that it's not great odds on those that have bad experiences vs good (even 1:1 would be pretty damn bad).
The Rotax does make a bit more power, but at the expense of reliability.
The 650cc bikes have a tad more power than the 400, though not much, but a fair bit more weight. So I'd be tempted to (well, I did ) go for the 404. Will handle off-road better.
It will require more revving to keep on the boil, but won't lose out if you do. Mine's an excellent town bike.
I wouldn't choose either for distance work either, unless you are happy actually sitting at 70mph. The wind can be bearable, but it's not so great to have a 400/650cc single working constantly at near max rpm. |
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Posted: 10:06 - 16 Jan 2009 Post subject: |
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The 404 is the 400cc version, as I presume you've realised . |
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Posted: 13:46 - 16 Jan 2009 Post subject: |
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Have a look on the ccm riders forum, all the info you will need about them is there. |
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Posted: 14:28 - 16 Jan 2009 Post subject: |
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Cheers for the replies so far!
I was wondering how the R30 (600 version) and the 404 would stand up against say a 600 sports ect on the twisties. Obviously I will be riding with Jamie (looking to get a GXSR 750), hollis (ER6) and matt (hornet when it's fixed) alot of the time on rideouts ect, will it really get left behind that much or with some pushing hard and good riding will they just about keep in touch?
Nice review G, read the lot of it. ____________________ ***Previous: GPR50, FZ750 *** Current: Monkey bike, yella SV 650 ***
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Posted: 15:18 - 16 Jan 2009 Post subject: |
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Dont they have flywheel issues?
Do eeet!
Plus arnt they easier to steal, dont know who told me that..
like https://bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=165021 ____________________ Past: '05 Peugeot XPS '99 Aprillia RS125 '94 FZR600R
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Posted: 15:27 - 16 Jan 2009 Post subject: |
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Top speed of the supermotos in top gear isn't far off top speed of first gear on a fairly recent GSXR750.
If a sports bike 'on it' comes to any kind of straight, they're going to disapear. I'd have more fun on the CCM definitely, but for total speed and possibly practicality (getting from A to B) I'd go for a bigger bike.
A Husky TE610 is worth considering; more speed but not much more weight. However still only a little faster when compared to modern sports bikes.
Relative to an ER6 and then a hornet, it's going to mean pushing a bit less hard on the supermoto, but so relatively it's going to be a bit easier to keep up (a modern GSXR750 could easily double the power of the ER).
I went for a decent length ride with molotov a while ago (think I did about 200miles total, though he'd have done less); forget if his Hornet was restricted or not; don't think so (I seem to remember the washers, err, 'falling out' at somepoint on my driveway, think it was his anyway ). Wasn't /seriously/ trying as was trying to focus on IAMy stuff a bit (and don't really on the road these days).
Don't know how much faster he'd have been if I wasn't 'leading'. |
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Posted: 15:44 - 16 Jan 2009 Post subject: |
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Hmm, so G, would you suggest the 404 or the R30?
I am looking for fun and decent speed on the twisties, alot of wheelie and stoppie ability and probally going to green lane it.
Not that bothered about top speed, I will probally end up keeping the FZ750 if I get it running (need to get out there today and fix it as it is my day off work!) for a while so I can use that if I have to commute on the motorway or something. Hmm insurance on two bikes at 17 is going to be a killer! Would probally just insure the FZ if I needed it.
I will probally end up getting a sports bike anyway when I am slightly older when I don't get raped by the insurance as much. Great thing about the SMs is the insurance costs! £400 for the R30 at 17 with 0ncb. ____________________ ***Previous: GPR50, FZ750 *** Current: Monkey bike, yella SV 650 ***
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Also, about the Husky TE610, did I read something about it being more highly strung than the ccms? Whats the service intervals like? I am looking for abit of reliability as I will be using it everyday.
Do you still have your 404 I can't remember if you had it in your garage? ____________________ ***Previous: GPR50, FZ750 *** Current: Monkey bike, yella SV 650 ***
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Another thing I just remembered, I need to be able to carry a pillion for the odd occation (taking girls for rides... ) .
I know the R30 has pillion pegs, do any of the others? ____________________ ***Previous: GPR50, FZ750 *** Current: Monkey bike, yella SV 650 ***
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Why not get a KTM? 660 are proper hardcore version, guy was selling a 2004 KTM supermoto on ebay, it had less than 2k miles on in in mint condition. I wanted to get it for 1500 but other guy bidded at last minute and got it for 1600 ____________________ Theory Passed: 23/10/2008 49/74 Bike Test Passed: 05/01/2009 1 minor
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I find this abit weird, the 404 produces 40bhp stock so you could probally get about 44bhp out of it with a pipe/small tuning (airbox mod ect).
The R30 644 version with the suzi engine produces 43bhp stock and can be 'tuned' up to 46bhp with mods.
So basically, the 404 is going to have a better power to weight ratio so is going to be quicker right?
Another quick question, how does the 404 cope with cruising at around 80mph? Will that nacker it very quickly if you sat for a hours journey at 80mph on the motorway? ____________________ ***Previous: GPR50, FZ750 *** Current: Monkey bike, yella SV 650 ***
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Posted: 10:14 - 18 Jan 2009 Post subject: |
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53hp is maybe a generous manufacturers crank figure - or maybe is a claimed figure for the Rotax?.
The 644 will be a tad quicker, but at the expensive of a little bit of handling and a decent chunk of off-road ability.
Power to weight doesn't always mean quicker; look at lots of fast cars that can hit 200 with quite a lot worse power/weight than similar fast bikes.
More power gives you more top speed.
I doubt it'd be ideal for either bike to be cruising at 80; I'd be considering up-gearing (losing out on acceleration a tad) if I was doing that. I geared my KTM to do a theoritcal 125 or so in top when I was using it for lots of distance cruising.
I'd still get the Husky (sm)610.
Probably a bit more than you want to spend, but this has tarty modern styling etc:
https://pictures.autotrader.co.uk/imgser-uk/servlet/media?id=846097633
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 15 years, 153 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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