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Cigaro
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 14 Jan 2009    Post subject: More cambelt questions. Reply with quote

I've had the cambelt cover off the Polo, and the belt that's on there is a 'Unipart' one and looks quite new and in good condition. The water pump and tensioner also look pretty much new.

This, to me, suggests that the cambelt actually WAS replaced at the 60,000 mile service, but whoever did it forgot to put a sticker on the cam cover. Surely the OEM belt wouldn't be a unipart one?

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PostPosted: 15:08 - 14 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was the 60k service done at an approved VW garage? Could have been done elsewhere and they dont bother with the sticker.

If you have the invoice, could give them a call, might have a history of parts used etc...
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PostPosted: 15:17 - 14 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

LH-ER5 wrote:
Was the 60k service done at an approved VW garage? Could have been done elsewhere and they dont bother with the sticker.


I don't actually know, I have no service history with the car.

I was just thinking that being a Unipart it doesn't seem to be an original belt, as they seem to do belt kits for almost every car.

The belt looks good and is not frayed or hardened anywhere, anyway. I have a replacement belt here but the thought of changing it scares me, so I may just leave it until the car reaches 100k (you're supposed to check them every 20k miles after the initial replacement and it's nearly on 80k now).
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PostPosted: 15:25 - 14 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have any old MOT's? Might be a chance that it was serviced by the same people..?

Other than that, I would have thought UniPart would be a pattern part fitted afterwards. I think only MG Rover probably used them for factory components.*



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PostPosted: 15:34 - 14 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers LH Smile

No old MOT's, only the current one.

Like I say, it looks like it's been changed, and is in good condition, so I'm not going to worry about it too much.

On a sidenote, does anyone know what type of oil I should use in this car? Would boggo Tesco Value 10w/40 do the trick?

Oil+filter change and clean out the Throttle Body is my task list for Sunday now Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:45 - 14 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cam belt rule of thumb.
If it breaks you have a blistering bill for recovery, repair missed appointments etc.
If you want peace of mind, change it.
Not a big job and the costs are less than all the ugliness of the alternative.

Belts that break looked OK the day before so not always easy to say.

Oil I would never dare to advise on here. The bcf Lubrication Police will jump all over the top of me. Smile

Me I would put the best I could afford. Or what the OEM recommends.
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PostPosted: 21:00 - 14 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

If in any doubt about a cambelt - and in your position you can have no idea apart from assumption when that cambelt was changed and by who - change it.

What do they say about assumption? Laughing


Cambelt failure can mean a catastrophic engine failure in some vehicles, so for the sake of the price of a cambelt/tensioner and waterpump, and an hour or twos hassle, change it.

[EDIT] Added these pics for interest, this are what my transit engine did when the cambelt stripped. Learned later that this is what transit engines are designed to do in such situations, the push rods were designed as the cheap weak link to save major engine damage, as transits will be prone to a lack of maintenance.

The rockers break regularly too but less often, mine didn't fortunately.

You would never be so fortunate in a petrol or OHC engine.
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PostPosted: 04:30 - 15 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Camchains and pushrods are where it's at.

It's a polo, Tesco or Asda 10w/40 will do just fine if you fancy treating it. As for old MOT's you can enter the details on the MOT website online to get all the old electronic certificates which will list where it was done so you might be able to find out where it was serviced.

Remember cambelt life depends heavily on how you drive, lots of town driving and short journeys will bring it's life down to near the recommended intervals, lots of motorways or continuous driving will mean it will most probably last a lot longer, of course how hard you accelerate and brake affects it too, though in a Polo I imagine that factor is negligible.
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PostPosted: 23:12 - 16 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm currently fretting over a Polo belt change too BassJunky. My motor is the diesel and it's a big job costing £££, but better safe than sorry I suppose Very Happy
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PostPosted: 23:47 - 16 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, VAG don't use unipart belts - they use another brand that i can't think of for the life of me which is quite annoying, keep thinking gates but it's definitely not that.

Gah!!
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PostPosted: 23:53 - 16 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is it expensive in the diesel? If it does the injection pump as well thats another pulley for you to lock, but it shouldn't be too difficult.

And goose - cambelt and pushrods? Isn't that the worst of both worlds, why not just gear the camshaft off the crank and run the pushrods off that?
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PostPosted: 00:10 - 17 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had a cambelt slip on me. Did just as much damage as if it snapped. Cambelts do not age or show signs of wear (apparently).

My dad's focus on the other hand was very close to slipping or snapping. The plastic tensioner pulley was disintegrating.

Now, when I buy another car, the first thing I ask is ''when was the cambelt last done"? Most sellers usually reply "I've not had it done''.

It gives me a good stand in getting £200-£300 more off the asking price. The first thing I do is then book it in for a cambelt at my local garage.

Then, sell the car shortly before it's due again. If the buyer asks, you did it when you got the car!!!! Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 00:12 - 17 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

robby wrote:
Why is it expensive in the diesel? If it does the injection pump as well thats another pulley for you to lock, but it shouldn't be too difficult.


From the research I've done it's well beyond me - most VW specialists quote around three and a half hours labour as there is a lot of dismantling involved.

I found this guide to the process on an American site:

https://www.tdiclub.com/articles/pdf/a4timingbelt.pdf

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PostPosted: 12:32 - 17 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

stelmer wrote:
Cambelts do not age or show signs of wear (apparently).


oh they do. They tend to laminate due to heat build up over time, and go very brittle/stiff
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 17 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
stelmer wrote:
Cambelts do not age or show signs of wear (apparently).


oh they do. They tend to laminate due to heat build up over time, and go very brittle/stiff


Most the time they don't though, plus how many people check their oil level regular let alone the cam belt.
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 17 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I'd change the cambelt for peace of mind. I've got a Zetec-S engine in my Puma and it's pretty cruicial to keep on top of the cambelt in that engine. When I bought it the woman selling it told me she hadn't had it done so I managed to knock her down by a few hundred quid. I then got the belt, tensioner, water pump and aux belt done.

Bear in mind, the cambelt might look new, but was the tensioner changed at the same time? A bodge merchant may perviously have got their hands on it and done half a job. For peace of mind do it yourself or give it to someone you trust.
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PostPosted: 14:57 - 18 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your worried just change it, its a polo - realy simple to do.

IF its a unipart then 99% its been done by a backstreeter / DIY.

Odds are if you track its old MOT's it will have had 2 / 3 MOT's at the same place, it would more than likely have had any servicing done there too. As a result, if its had a belt change, odds are they would have done it. Trace its MOT's online, check the garages and give them a bell to check.

If it looks good and its recently changed, odds are its fine, if unsure - just get it changed (assuming you want the car to last you another year or two).
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