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[bazza]

How many news items can you spot being slipped in under cover of some blanket American presidential cocksucking news coverage?

I'll start:

£100 fines for not insuring a car (vehicle?) whether it's on the road or not. On top of SORN.

Who's next?
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[Fawbish]

What the fuckitty fuck fuck?


On top of SORN?


Riiight. They can go fuck themselves.

Talk about herding the sheep towards the financial eviscerator



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[map]

[Phoenix]

Well that's an annoying one, just more admin stuff you're likely to forget especially when you have several vehicles, SORN is hard enough to remember. However at least there is a way around it, this rule was proposed a few years ago but it was implied that it would be illegal to own an uninsured vehicle full stop which is utterly ridiculous, so it's not all bad.

I have my Pontiac currently sitting around uninsured but it is declared SORN so that's ok, no point keeping it taxed while it's uninsured. If you just leave it uninsured for a few weeks while it's still taxed I doubt they'll chase you quick enough plus it says they have to send you a letter asking first.

As usual though most people who drive uninsured don't have the vehicle registered to them anyway or are driving a car that is insured to someone else but not them so it won't make a blind bit of difference anyway. Hit the law abiding majority who simply forget to do something to catch 1% of the current law dodgers. What happens once you pay the £100 fine anyway, wait a year for the next check? Or are you good for ever after that, £100 is still a lot cheaper than insurance.

[bazza]

[Bendy]

Folks always seem to grumble about the admin - come on, it's hardly difficult.

When you do your MOT, stick a reminder in your diary for 11 months in the future to book the next one. Do the same when you buy insurance, declare SORN or buy tax. If your vehicle servicing is done more by age than mileage, stick that in there as well. And when you move house, get off your arse and send your V5s and licence in to be updated so that the handy reminders you get sent about various things actually come to where you live. There are even websites you can enter the details into and they'll email a reminder when the time is right. Folk who can't organise their existence to this very basic level deserve all the fines they get and they're usually the ones moaning about the government while simultaneously wanting their hand held through the legalities of vehicle ownership.

Still think the whole system is a mess and far too easy to work around if you're so inclined. Can't help but wonder if looking at the registered keeper address vs the policy vs cardholder's address and some kind of address check on buying tax wouldn't pop up more of the un- or dubiously insured vehicles out there. Or just stick TPO cover on the cost of petrol...

[bazza]

[Kickstart]

Hi

I know, lets cut down the murder rate by fining everyone who doesn't fill in a form each year to say they are not going to murder someone.

This, like SORN, is pointless. It solves nothing, it just creates an easy to enforce law that won't affect those who are the problem but will affect those who try to comply with at least the spirit of the law.

Few more press releases about this ludicrous idea. As you can see from these, if you get nicked for it and pay the fine but don't insure the car then on top of that they intend to "seize and destroy" it.

DfT

[Bendy]

[Itchy]

[Bendy]

[Kickstart]

[Itchy]

[Bendy]

[Kris]

[Skudd]

It always amazes me the time people spend winging about the admin/ filling in forms and trying to find ways around not doing it than actually filling the form in.
Don't get me wrong sometimes it is a pain in the arse, but like others have said, it only takes a few moments on line.

Yes, I have been fined for not posting tax returns in time and for not doing the SORN in time.
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[b-f-c]

So how is this going to affect those building vehicles ie: you have a chassis with a V5 - are insewerants companies going to insure part vehicles?

Doubt it, they'll refuse as there's bugger all to insure hence those with part built vehicles will be screwed.

[Bendy]

[b-f-c]

[Bendy]

Read map's post.

Exemptions will be made for car enthusiasts who keep their vehicles off the road in collections or for tinkering in the garage, but they must have applied for a Statutory Off Road Notice (Sorn).

[WildGoose]

It is fairly pointless, but they have included a work around for those who have a genuine reason to have a car off the road. Generally seems to be a bit too concerned with our lives yet again, what happened to the freedom to have a yard full of nackered cars if thats what makes you happy.

Whatever they say, if they think I am insuring a vehicle that is up on 4 jacks with no wheels, or has no engine in, then can take a jump.

I read that as "if you can fabricate an excuse" then they will leave you alone. It's fairly easy to fabricate an excuse, and they won't be sending people around to check, because that would mean they would have to find them. Imagine trying to locate every single vehicle shell in the UK

Although god knows why they want to waste time getting a person to read all these letters and to decide if the excuse is 'valid' or not. I reckon they will just issue the fine and chance their arm.

In which case it will become a hassle. Just like SORN.
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[Kickstart]

[Itchy]

[kiers]

[map]

Having gone away and thought about this fine for no insurance business I've come to the conclusion it's very lazy and really boils down to making money.

Let me think , what would be easier and cost less money...

1. Looking through the SORN database and comparing it with the insurance database and sending letters (bet they're worded as fines) to those that don't match

or

2. Putting resources out on the street to actually find vehicles that are actually been driven around without insurance and therefore may be a threat to other road users and/or used in criminal activities.

As said above, anyone who want to get away with this could. It just looks like those who do their best and stay within the law are going to be targeted yet again.

Insurance companies are going to be happy you might have to pay them money too. I guess they may have to create a new category (say just fire and theft) or allow you to add it to your home contents as third party doesn't make sense. Still, when did making sense mean anything to insurance companies when it comes to parting you with your money.


I've added this to the list of questions to be asked come the next election. First party to say it's wrong and will not be implemented buys my vote.


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