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PostPosted: 21:49 - 29 Jan 2009    Post subject: Re-educating the Vietnamese Reply with quote

I dunno why this sprung to mind, but I had to tell you something about when I was travelling through Vietnam on my world trip...

When I was in Hanoi, each time I walked down the street - anywhere! I was harrassed, followed, and shouted at by the men on their mopeds - who's constant call of 'lay-dee laydee motorbike motorbike, cheap cheap' soon stopped me saying 'no thanks' and instead saying, 'no, it's not a motorbike, its a moped' or pointing at my feet 'free free'.

I was actually sick of hearing myself say 'no thanks' by then, several times a day, throughout both India and Vietnam!!!
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 29 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 22:01 - 29 Jan 2009    Post subject: Re: Re-educating the Vietnamese Reply with quote

Clanger wrote:
I dunno why this sprung to mind, but I had to tell you something about when I was travelling through Vietnam on my world trip...

When I was in Hanoi, each time I walked down the street - anywhere! I was harrassed, followed, and shouted at by the men on their mopeds - who's constant call of 'lay-dee laydee motorbike motorbike, cheap cheap' soon stopped me saying 'no thanks' and instead saying, 'no, it's not a motorbike, its a moped' or pointing at my feet 'free free'.

I was actually sick of hearing myself say 'no thanks' by then, several times a day, throughout both India and Vietnam!!!


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PostPosted: 22:14 - 29 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

We should start lining up at airports and harrassing immigrants.

You buy driving licence, you buy council house, you buy interest free islam credit that we give you to lick your stinking ringhole.

One day im going to get me an islam loan.

It's just the part when they ask me if I'm an islam, it's gonna take serious puckering up to emit an affirmative through teeth so tightly gritted my tongue has no space to make sounds into words.

Bah.
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PostPosted: 23:21 - 29 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soul_Trader wrote:
islam loan


What is that exactly?
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PostPosted: 23:54 - 29 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sharia law forbids earning interest off a loan - largely because it's what Jews do.

Interesting tidbit of history - a few hundred years ago, before banks etc came along, Christians were forbidden by the Bible from earning interest on loans, and also due the fuedal system of rents and tithing, they never had any money to lend anyway.
Along comes your local Jew, who can and will lend money at extortionate interest rates to the local peasants. The Jews tended to live in stone houses, not wooden huts. This wasn't for reasons of status or comfort, it was so that they could lock their doors and hide in a secure house when a gang from the village came to attempt to kill them for being money grabbing bastards.
Good to see attitudes towards Jews have changed so much throughout history.

Anyway, back onto the OPish. an islamic loan is a loan without interest, although I'm not sure how the rest of it works. I would assume that instead of charginf interest there's a large upfront admin fee or something. Otherwise it would be free money.
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PostPosted: 23:59 - 29 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

robby wrote:
Sharia law forbids earning interest off a loan - largely because it's what Jews do.

Interesting tidbit of history - a few hundred years ago, before banks etc came along, Christians were forbidden by the Bible from earning interest on loans, and also due the fuedal system of rents and tithing, they never had any money to lend anyway.
Along comes your local Jew, who can and will lend money at extortionate interest rates to the local peasants. The Jews tended to live in stone houses, not wooden huts. This wasn't for reasons of status or comfort, it was so that they could lock their doors and hide in a secure house when a gang from the village came to attempt to kill them for being money grabbing bastards.
Good to see attitudes towards Jews have changed so much throughout history.

Anyway, back onto the OPish. an islamic loan is a loan without interest, although I'm not sure how the rest of it works. I would assume that instead of charginf interest there's a large upfront admin fee or something. Otherwise it would be free money.


my boss is a muslim and i have seen it done before. they used islamic bank of britain which is part of natwest i believe. they purchased a property sort of. the bank owns the property and my boss pays the rent. once he pays off the initial amount of the property, he owns it. if he doesn't pay it off, he pays rent each month. the other day he was pissed off when he found out the rent was 9% of something. i assume a mortgage is less.

not completely clear but pretty much what i got out of it.
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PostPosted: 00:06 - 30 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you do pay interest, it's just disguised under a different name.

People finding a way to get around the strict wording of their religious law and completely avoiding the spirit of it, whatever next.
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PostPosted: 00:06 - 30 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

so r u going back then Clanger????
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PostPosted: 00:13 - 30 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

robby wrote:
So you do pay interest, it's just disguised under a different name.

People finding a way to get around the strict wording of their religious law and completely avoiding the spirit of it, whatever next.


the thing is, this is an initiative from natwest. i am guessing some muslims who want to make money offered them the idea. my boss was very angry because he did not look at the small print of the interest as such. he assumed it would be rent alone until he paid the total sum.
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PostPosted: 00:42 - 30 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

robby wrote:
Along comes your local Jew


My understanding is that orthodox jewish males are forbidden by their religion to do any real 'work' - i.e. be a plumber/dentist/taxi driver or whatever, since they should be devoting their time to their religion etc. It is, however, ok for them to earn money from investment type things, which apparently need little 'management', such as property, money lending etc., which is one of the reasons they are so prevalent in these fields.

I know this partly due to the fact our Jerusalem office of my firm is largely comprised of Jewish females - I think around 80% of staff are local jewish females, who are not bound by this requirement.
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PostPosted: 10:23 - 30 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Money lending by Jews pre-dates Christianity by a long time, after all it was Jewish money lenders who Jesus threw out of the Temple.
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PostPosted: 10:45 - 30 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soul_Trader wrote:
We should start lining up at airports and harrassing immigrants.

You buy driving licence, you buy council house, you buy interest free islam credit that we give you to lick your stinking ringhole.

One day im going to get me an islam loan.

It's just the part when they ask me if I'm an islam, it's gonna take serious puckering up to emit an affirmative through teeth so tightly gritted my tongue has no space to make sounds into words.

Bah.


thats not funny at all , I regularly get harrassed as people are incredibly presumptious... even though by enlarge I am a native.

I ask anybody for directions in the city centre before I canfinish they almost always say immigration is over there....

Or when I've had the misfortune of being down at the job centre you get chavs and such like telling me to f off home and stop stealing their jobs f'ing asylum seeker.


But back to the OP , its the same the world over....


Tourists in HK often complain about being harrassed by street vendors and suit makers on nathan road the golden mile so they call it....


Yet in London I was constantly harrassed by people attempting to sell me:

Show tickets
Chuggers
guns
minicab services
not doing so well resturantuers
Used tube day tickets outside tube stations

In manchester I keep getting harrassed by:

religious types who try convert me
SKY TV sales men
RAC sales men
AA sales men
Ticket touts
Ciggarette smugglers
smugged alcohol
stolen petrol and such like.


But that doesn't count right ?
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PostPosted: 13:58 - 30 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy, your posts are never particularly clear - are you complaining because you're buddies with allah, or just complaining in general there?
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PostPosted: 14:05 - 30 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

robby wrote:
Itchy, your posts are never particularly clear - are you complaining because you're buddies with allah, or just complaining in general there?


me buddies with Allah? , hardly....

My point was , Soul_Trader & Clanger complained about witnessing such behaviour overseas........ and as such we must 're-educate them'
and yet exactly the same behaviour occurs in the UK and is compeletely tolerated even acceptable, ie mini cabs ,ticket touts , smugged ciggie sellers and yet nobody is talking abour re-educating these people are they?.

Anybody spot the total irony of this thread?.
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PostPosted: 14:13 - 30 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
robby wrote:
Itchy, your posts are never particularly clear - are you complaining because you're buddies with allah, or just complaining in general there?


me buddies with Allah? , hardly....

My point was , Soul_Trader & Clanger complained about witnessing such behaviour overseas........ and as such we must 're-educate them'
and yet exactly the same behaviour occurs in the UK and is compeletely tolerated even acceptable, ie mini cabs ,ticket touts , smugged ciggie sellers and yet nobody is talking abour re-educating these people are they?.


i agree with this. how many people beg for money or try to sell you a magazine or something in london? you even get people knocking on your door trying to sell religion and carpets
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 30 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
I ask anybody for directions in the city centre before I canfinish they almost always say immigration is over there....



When this happens are you holding a carrier bag full of DVD's by any chance?
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 30 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

the_guvnor_1_uk wrote:


When this happens are you holding a carrier bag full of DVD's by any chance?


Whats that got to do with anything?,
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PostPosted: 18:39 - 30 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

sort of unrelated but how was vietnam? thinking of going there this summer and buying a cheap bike and looping through cambodia. any tips?
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PostPosted: 19:04 - 30 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, I'm not a London boy, round my ends no man tries to sell you shit, because he knows he is wasting his breath and time.

With the exception of the dvd China-man who is a legend and everyone loves him, even he doesn't shove it in your face, just walks along, and everyone knows what the score is anyway.

When I was in Israel, I experienced nothing but ENDLESS arabs trying to sell me things, taking my photo, trying to sell me the polaroid, selling bread, camel rides, radios, you name it.

So I slated another country, as I never experienced this in my own.

As for the religious types they are a worldwide problem, not just anywhere.

Jehova's witnesses piss me off the most, as THEY, are not ready for the return of christ, let alone telling me I'm not, the plebians.
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 30 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

skiberdi wrote:
sort of unrelated but how was vietnam? thinking of going there this summer and buying a cheap bike and looping through cambodia. any tips?


being vietnamese (well born in london) i would say it is a nice country really. you have to be careful of the food and the mosquitoes are annoying, but the rides should be nice. sometimes the routes can take you onto roads along canals made out of mud. there are loads of people trying to sell you stuff on the main roads like peanuts etc but that's part of the country. the trucks can be dangerous and are always horning once near. i would recommend it with a friend though. the topgear show did make it seem better than it is, but it is a wonderful country in many ways. similar to how england is a great country in many ways but has its bad points.
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PostPosted: 00:32 - 31 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clanger, it's one of the reasons I only managed to get as far as Sri Lanka, India was a step too far. I suffered a considerable amount of harassment, both verbal and physical. I was covered head to toe, so not obviously a Western tourist wandering everywhere in a bikini Rolling Eyes and I'm dark not blonde, which normally helps.

Funnily (actually not, but.....) I was in Sutton today and wandered down into the town and was approached several times by sales people - something for Amnesty, another for disabled people, then npower and of course the Big Issue seller. I gave the usual polite 'no thank you' with a smile and was met with a right crappy look and muttering from the npower man and the guy asking for donations for the disabled was decidedly ungracious.

TBH in this country I still don't like it, but tend to shrug it off however, overseas I always feel vulnerable and edgy, as I worry about not being able to look after myself in a foreign country.
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PostPosted: 05:02 - 31 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

So if I call up my CC company (citi) I can tell them I've just converted to Islam & my religion now forbids me to pay interest so go fuck yourselves?
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PostPosted: 12:22 - 31 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obviously not.
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 31 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

skiberdi wrote:
sort of unrelated but how was vietnam? thinking of going there this summer and buying a cheap bike and looping through cambodia. any tips?


Well, everyone's experiences of SEAsia will differ from the next. But if there were to be a 'next time' for me to go to Vietnam, I wouldn't go alone.

I was harrassed, followed and inappropriately touched, pulled at/dragged along and rode at by a small group of moto riders in Hanoi, in the end I was so scared that I didn't dare leave my hostel without someone else, and got worried if I left the city by bus or train I'd be followed - so I bought a flight to Danang.

The 'moto' riders won't allow you to explore on foot or alone. They basically make your life hell. I have NEVER ever experienced that anywhere else in the world...

Apparently it's a common problem for a lot of westerners on their own, male and female alike...I did speak with two other single travellers who had similar bad experiences like me...and the police there are not in the slightest bit interested.

Unfortunately I found the city dwelling Vietnamese a lot like the Chinese, rude, intolerant, aggressive.

The pleasant and safer places to vist in Vietnam are Mui Nie, Hoi An, Hue, Ha Long Bay, and Sapa.

Cambodia however, is a totally different, absolutely amazing place, the people are so friendly, smiley, calm, conversationalists, interested in you (even if you don't part with your cash). I have a LOT of time for the Cambodian people, especially with the attrocities that they have had to contend with in recent years.

I would go back to Cambodia, Laos, and Thailand in a shot!!!!
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