State of the country

[Silver]

In light of the sheer volume of threads based around the premise that this country's a toilet, I ask a serious question to those with the accusation:

What are YOU doing about it?

Look at things on a smaller scale. Imagine you're in the pub with a mate and he's complaining that he's being screwed over at work. Most people would have no hesitation in telling him to get a new job and leave. A different mate tells you that his girlfriend is cheating on him, so you tell him to dump the cheating bitch. Now scale up (a long way, granted) until you reach your relationship with this country. I hear a lot of people, with a lot of talk, and very little action.

Don't get me wrong, I'm well aware that there are problems with this country and some affect me more than others. Having said that, I also accept that I'm in a position to pick up and try my luck elsewhere if I want to. However, I realise that the grass is not always greener and that destination XYZ is likely to provide a whole different set of issues that I had never considered simply because they don't exist here.

The way I see it, as an individual, you have a finite number of possible actions:

1. Hope that your vote will make a difference.
2. Pursue political office.
3. Leave the country.
4. Engage in peaceful protest (inc. charity work etc).
5. Engage in illegal ventures against the state.

On a personal level, I have little faith in any of the above and I do none of them. I reckon that limits the amount of whinging I should be permitted to make. To clarify that last statement; sure there should be freedom of speech. I pay my taxes and I'm a British citizen, so I reserve to right to say what I like. But should I complain about something so much, when there are clearly options available that haven't been taken? Nah. The simple fact is that none of this country's issues affect, or rile, me enough to get too upset over (and I fully understand it's a selfish viewpoint). If anything was likely to tip me over a methaphorical edge it'd probably be a traffic law of some description.

So, back to my original question;
What are YOU doing about it?

[SoND]

Raising awareness where ever I can and preparing myself for a shitstorm. I can't see the next few years being easy and I'm not sure what it will bring.
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[killa]

Depends what happening to you i guess, or whats effecting you.

So given the options above for some of the recent issues posted, i imagine it would do fu** all.

Im not loosing my job, my house or my dignity as a British bloke.
I pay a lot for EVERYTHING but apparently thats my fault as a consumer.
What do i do about paying a lot for things? Try to desire less. lol
Certainly crossing my fingers after voting wont make FUCK ALL difference.

I dislike eastern block people coming here taking the piss...i see it all around me, they really are scum. I even travelled a couple of their countries, you'll understand a lot more if you have too. Recently the guys in our work shop had issues, after the foreign workers stole tools for themselves...any kind of action taken to raise the issue was deemed by them as racist or out of order. Fuc*ing useless, im glad i dont work with them. There is no solution to that now, far too many are through driving, working and living without the correct papers....i certainly wouldn't try to make the one guy i know who is pretty much in this position, im not like that and it's not my job.
Generally speaking the British population are genuinely worried about not paying TV licence, tax and stuff the scaremongering works....so the campaigns fall on deaf ears.

Ramble..mumble..grumble
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[Silver]

Good point Killa, and one I missed, so I'll revise my earlier statement slightly

[bazza]

I feel the most meaningful thing anyone could do is devote your time to conspiracyTHE REAL TRUTH websites, copying and pasting everything you find and calling everyone a sheep who doesn't suck your cock in thanks for your bravery for exposing THE REAL TRUTH.

We'll have good old Blighty right as rain and nice as ninepence before you can say "Cor blimey, luvaduck, yer a real toff guv'nor and no mistake Mary Poppins!"
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[killa]

Id just like to say that the foriegn workers at my place aren't scum. That was a little harsh. But i am right when i say they are shit at what they do and have a bad attitude with it.
It took a mass of forigeners stealing identities, cards and cars to make us realise our security is pap. Now, no amount of voting or letter writing is gonna help your ass.
They make their own rules...like that new one with insurance and boxing people in with cars...cause a shunt in a team and then claim all the fucking cash. They're not British.

Anyways, this isn't a rant about forigners....what do i do about it? Fuc* all, if i did, it wouldn't work. But i dont because i think this countries fine.

[pa_broon74]

I think to many of us are willing to adapt and get used to the new reality... I include myself in that category... In a sense one of our greatest abilities is also our greatest enemy.

Even although this could probably seen as a bribe to my conscience, I haven't go to much to moan about; things are ok. But I always temper that by saying things should be so much better.

I've just moved out of town because of all the foreign johnnies... I don't care if anyone thinks that's not politically correct, its just a fact. Edinburgh is now over crowded and while I'm all for a mix of cultures & communities, what little culture & community we had has been diluted out of existence.

I think theres room for some sort of study on the impact (and not wishing to turn this thread into an immigration rant, because it isn't a rant as such...) What I mean is, in terms of over-crowding. UK folks are snobby, when renting we tend to rent alone or share with one other. What we don't do is share the same room, we just don't.

However, other cultures have no such qualms. This leads to over-crowding, a block of (say) 20 flats designed for 2 folks a piece instead of housing (hold on a sec...) forty people, now houses 80 or a hundred. That has a social impact for sure, but what is it exactly and how does it effect the local community, I suppose you culd forgive the gov. for not thinking of this when the borders opened up...

This isn't my main gripe anyway. Crime and the new level of acceptance would be my main complaint, were before I would've just brushed off random acts of crime, they've now become so frequent I report them. Petty crime is something we should never compromise on, if they get away with that, its a slippery inevitable slope...

Is wot I think, innit.


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[Skudd]

[instigator]

On route to doing No. 3.

Get Msc first which will take 3 years and then I'm fully qualified to go to Canada.

[Itchy]

Nothing as I've noticed that people WANT a more intrusive government , and WANT more beurocracy and more wasted taxes.

People want to be watched and put under constant surveillance and want to ignore the reality of their circumstances.

People want torture , CCTV in homes sham wars , corruption etc.

People want to starve and freeze to death when they get old , people want leniet prison sentences...

If they didn't why did they vote for it.

Why should I interfere in what they want ?.


Myself I prepared the ground elsewhere as a bolt hole.
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[mark83]

what am I doing about it?

riding my bike, shagging my girlfriend, and not let anything bother me too much.

oh, I did stop a fight outside work yesterday...and got the 2 40-year-old guys to shake hands like children!

haha!
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[Kris]

How is anything going to change when most don't even know or cannot comprehend whenwe are being scammed right infront of our face?

Know this. Your pensions are gone. The cash you hold so dear is almost worthless and is currently being killed off economically. Your jobs are definately not safe, regardless of what you think. Governments lie, rob, steal and kill and take us for a bunch of mugs. It should be no suprise, too many years of no involvement has taken it's toll on the psyche. "Why should I care? I'm okay?"

Bleugh, what's the point? Not many will even bother caring until they are personally affected; at which point they will moan and whinge that nobody did anything.

UK population, by and large, are suckers falling for a criminal government's lies over and over and over and over and over and over again. Ad infinitum. Remember all of the lies we were told by government in the last few years?

In short, this is going to get a lot worse before it gets better and we can thank ourselves for that.
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[Itchy]

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[Itchy]

[Silver]

[instigator]

[WildGoose]

Silver, i'd say you are right to be suspicious about those who complain and point the finger, but are never clear about what they are actually doing themselves (Sickpup excepted). Short of reading alarmist websites and "spreading the word". Fair enough, but who is going to listen, particularly if you can't get your point across concisely.

You'll notice madman's cryptic "all that I have needed to", and that is all you will get out of him. He maybe attended that british constitution meeting a few weeks ago, you will now probably hear a lot of mention about 'common purpose' for a while now, until he finds his next bandwagon.

It's all a mechanism to make these particular people feel better about the fact that they are the same as everyone else, and nothing they do will make a blind bit of difference, just like everyone else. It alleviates the guilt factor, and is ironically enough identical to the "i'm alright jack" attitude of those people they attempt put down as the general populous.

"I've done my bit, I know the truth, so whatever happens, its not my fault".

Me. None of the above. I have no intention of leaving the country, nor do I have any intention of giving up what little time I have to myself, and throw it into some political crusade. Call me selfish if you like, you'll get over it.

I'm not going to lose any sleep over the fact that the world isnt heading in the direction I want it to, I will be dead shortly (relatively speaking). I know the score, I know how 'wrong' everything is, and how badly it all works, but to be quite honest, I just don't care /that/ much, but in answer to one of the statements above, i've never once voted for the big three.

I have no intention of spawning offspring, the buck stops here, therefore you could argue I have even less interest in the future state of the world than those who have.

You can make yourself sick with rage, and waste a key portion of your life being angry about the fact it will never change, maybe tell some people about it, attend a rally or two, run for political office, where will it get you?

Too much talk and very little follow through, and it will always be the same.

Or you could just try and focus on yourself, and do what you want to do. Most people are wankers anyway, the human race is a flawed species, and none of the systems work, what do you care?
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[mistergixer]

[Itchy]

[Kris]

"I know it's all corrupt and that's just the way things are and I'll be dead soon anyway and who cares about anyone else and why should I care what happens down the road anyway, plus I haven't been affected anyway and we do need to shut up to get along and put up with it....."

Hey, guess what? Because you stop caring and insist on such a nihilistic and selfish view, the species suffer as a result. Whether that's your kids, my kids or just plain old strangers it should not matter.

"Perpetrators, collaborators, bystanders, victims: we can be clear about three of these categories. The bystander, however, is the fulcrum. If there are enough notable exceptions, then protest reaches a critical mass. We don’t usually think of history as being shaped by silence, but, as English philosopher Edmund Burke said, ‘The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing."


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[Silver]

So, again, what are you doing?

[Kris]

[mistergixer]