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nealski
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PostPosted: 22:06 - 14 May 2004    Post subject: Won't out-run this! Reply with quote

Check this out,

In Italy the police have taken delivery of a Lamborgini Police Car.

https://eur.news1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/xp/reuters_ids/20040514/i/274364541.jpg

185mph at the top end - nice.

Neal
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izzi81
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 14 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

only in Italy... Laughing
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craigT19
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PostPosted: 22:36 - 14 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing



me goes buy a busa Wink
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PostPosted: 10:30 - 15 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

hehe me goes and buys the police more donuts.... lets see what their power to weight ratio is like NOW Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

And besides i can assure you first 999 call out they will chip it over there sirens blaring and lump it into a wall/cow/old woman. AND NO car can keep up with a bike.... if someone had the balls to i think a race with a leading moto gp bike and a grand prix car should have a race.... i think its obvious who would win ( altho i know who would win if they clipped at any point)
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PostPosted: 10:53 - 15 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

bonny_ricardo wrote:

AND NO car can keep up with a bike.... if someone had the balls to i think a race with a leading moto gp bike and a grand prix car should have a race.... i think its obvious who would win ( altho i know who would win if they clipped at any point)

Yep, the F1 car, on almost all international circuits I reckon. Doubt the bike would have a chance to get clipped after the first few corners as the car buggers off.

I believe the only significant advantage fast bikes have over fast cars is the speed of turning in.
Otherwise cars win in almost every area... until you try and buy one, at which point you're paying a hell of a lot more for a car that can keep up with a relatively cheap bike.

I believe a F1 car has 27 x the contact patch on it's tyres that a GP bikes does and that's with the bike upright. They can accelerate as hard as the tyres will let them with out having to bother about wheelies and the same for stopping.
Cars can brake a lot later into corners. With a less skilled driver/ridier it's a lot easier to take them neared 100% of the vehicle's capabilities... you get a bit of slide on a car and you're fine or at the worst spin out. On a bike you get a decent bit of slide and unless you're pretty good you've got a good chance of ending up on your arse.
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mrchips
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 15 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read in a car magazine recently that the police bought a Lotus Elise for manning the first legal cruise. I don't know where they put anyone they arrested though.
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PostPosted: 11:16 - 15 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fuk turning in this
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PostPosted: 13:10 - 15 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe the new 4-strokes are substantially quicker in a straight line than the F1 cars in race conditions.

I read somewhere that on a track, which I can't remember, (might have been Catalunya?) the bikes were exiting the final corner onto the pit straight at 70mph, while F1 cars do it at 110mph. Yet by the time the bikes are in the braking zone they were clocking around 210-215mph compared to the F1 car's paltry 200mph. Cool
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craigT19
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PostPosted: 13:54 - 15 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Superbike magazine recently did a thing also.


it was a cresent suzuki bsb gsxr 1000, a stock gixer 1000, and a few other bikes i think? (i cant find the mag)

Evo car mag also got in on this taking a porshe 911 Gt turbo, a lamborghini (sp) thingy (the new fast 200 mph thing), a Bmw racing 5 series, and the "radical" that bloody fast car with bike engine in it.

And on the track...and on the drag strip the bikes came out on top, the bikes were lapping (on average) nearly a second a lap faster than there closest 4 wheel rival, the radical.

bearing in mind on the drag strip (cant remember if it was 1/4 mile of just a top speed test) the lambo owner refused to let his car be driven as he was worried about stone chip Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:00 - 15 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's hard to compare motoGP and F1 lap times, as they don't race on the same tracks, but the superbikes are always 20 seconds off the F1 pace at Monza and they have similar speeds to the cars...

The amazing thing is that F1 is in it's third decade of development, and even with 2.5 or 3 litre engines, pneumatic valves, and million quid single-race engines, they're only doing 200mph.
MotoGP is in it's second race year and 4th or 5th development year, and they're hitting 215.62mph in the first practice of the season. So where will motoGP be in 30 years? Looks like fun! Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 14:00 - 15 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read that test too, only from Evo's perspective. Fair does to them they admitted defeat, unlike Max Power Rolling Eyes. They said the Crescent Gixxer thou reached 186mph faster than a Mclaren F1 could.
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EuropeanNC30R...
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 15 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

F1 and MotoGP do race on quite a few of the same tracks, Catalunya being one which is why I mentioned it. Think Suzuka is another.
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 15 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Points to video section (F1 VS R7).
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PostPosted: 16:21 - 15 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

bonny_ricardo wrote:
hehe me goes and buys the police more donuts.... lets see what their power to weight ratio is like NOW Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

And besides i can assure you first 999 call out they will chip it over there sirens blaring and lump it into a wall/cow/old woman. AND NO car can keep up with a bike.... if someone had the balls to i think a race with a leading moto gp bike and a grand prix car should have a race.... i think its obvious who would win ( altho i know who would win if they clipped at any point)


the average F1 car laps 20 or seconds faster than the motogp's at spain according to the tv presenters. something to do with the fact bike break some 150-200m before a corner, while the cars don't break till about 80ish...
It was something like that anyway
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Kickstart
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PostPosted: 16:37 - 15 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

The difficult point is that both Moto GP and F1 are for vehicles built to a set of rules. Change the rules and watch one or the others performance change.

While the cars are not that quick on top speed for the power they have, much of that is due to the amount of down force they generate (after all, from something like 80mph they generate enough down force so that they could drive on an upside down track and still not fall off). There top speeds will vary greatly depending on the track they are using and whether top speed is of any relevance. At something like Paul Ricard in France with a very long straight they would gear the cars for a far higher top speed.

It is a lot easier to sling a car round at speed. Reach the limits in most cars and you loose control, but in an open area you can do that repeatedly while you learn how to control the vehicle. Try that on a bike and you will wreck the bike and hurt yourself.

All the best

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Mac
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PostPosted: 18:54 - 15 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats a nie big pile of tax money there... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 10:32 - 23 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Few more details on this car. Seems Lamborghini donated it (wonder if they were buying the boss out of a speeding ticket).

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/ae_news_story.php?id=46827

All the best

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