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PostPosted: 09:11 - 22 Feb 2009    Post subject: No to Bike Parking Tax Demo (Soho > Ace Cafe > Ally Pa Reply with quote

DEMO: Saturday, 28th February 2009, 10am Meet Golden Square.

The next demonstration ride will start from Golden Square (off Regent Street), meet 10am leave 10:30am for ride to Ace Cafe for 11:30am stop for lunch leave Ace at 12:30pm then on to Alexandra Palace for Motorcycle Show arrive 1:15pm, to garner yet more support for our upcoming MEGA demo (31st March 2009, 5pm Trafalgar Square, details to be published soon), the idea here is to cause major disruption to Central London, Oxford St, Regent St etc…

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PostPosted: 11:22 - 22 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice to see someone has the balls to do something about it. It's a 4 hour ride for me so I'm sure you wont mind if I pass on this one.
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PostPosted: 11:31 - 22 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll be there Smile
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 22 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

See you all there on Sat 28th, 10am Golden Square, this demonstration is pre-MEGA demo, which is on 31st March 2009, 5pm, Meet Trafalgar Square / Whitehall. (DST would have begun by then so the sun sets at 7:30pm!) the MEGA demo aiming to get more than 1000+ on the streets the MEGA demo is to coincide with this:

We are letting you know now so you can make arrangements to be there. We have all been invited by Westminster City Council formally to attend the "Built Environment Policy and Scrutiny Committee meeting" we have been told we can make 2 formal representations; 1. on behalf of the campaign, 2. on behalf of Westminster Residents. BMF and MAG and Tax Payers' Alliance will also make representations against the scheme (but hopefully it would have been scrapped by then).

The important bit from their invitation to us is this: "As mentioned by Councillor Harvey, the meeting is to be held in Committee Rooms 5, 6 and 7, 17th Floor, City Hall. The public gallery can hold approximately 35-40 people. However, We have made arrangements for the neighbouring Committee rooms to be used as an overflow room should there be larger numbers in attendance. The sound will be piped through so anyone in there will be able to follow the meeting."

Now... 35-40 haha, this is the important bit, as we know we got over 500 on the 17th Feb demo, at this meeting inside Westminster City Hall we are going to aim for 1000+ so we are announcing the date now to give you time to make arrangements since it starts at 5pm you may need to take a few hours off work in the evening or if you are coming from further away the whole day off, it is really important we get the numbers up above 1000+ it is possible, we have full Police support, and if we get to those numbers we will have huge credibility.

By the way the actual meeting might go on for a bit so do please bring water and supplies, I saw a few of you brought Hot Dogs last night, nice one!

Hope to see you at both demonstrations!
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PostPosted: 04:36 - 23 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good luck.
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PostPosted: 21:37 - 23 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

A bunch of bikers clogging up major London streets to call attention to the issue that we shouldn't be charged for parking because we don't take up any space?

Right....
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PostPosted: 22:15 - 23 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moonie wrote:
A bunch of bikers clogging up major London streets to call attention to the issue that we shouldn't be charged for parking because we don't take up any space?

Right....


Seems like a fair comment. I take it you have a better suggestion. Oh yeh, why noy write to your MP.
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PostPosted: 22:56 - 23 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

so what is it that makes bikers so special we dont have to pay for parking??????


maybe they should have a discounted rate for bike.
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PostPosted: 23:04 - 23 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

pigmo wrote:
Moonie wrote:
A bunch of bikers clogging up major London streets to call attention to the issue that we shouldn't be charged for parking because we don't take up any space?

Right....


Seems like a fair comment. I take it you have a better suggestion. Oh yeh, why noy write to your MP.


Personally I would just never pay it or the subsequent fines, but as I don't live in London and never intend to I don't see it as an issue worth thinking about that much tbh.
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PostPosted: 09:18 - 24 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moonie wrote:
pigmo wrote:

Seems like a fair comment. I take it you have a better suggestion. Oh yeh, why noy write to your MP.


Personally I would just never pay it or the subsequent fines, but as I don't live in London and never intend to I don't see it as an issue worth thinking about that much tbh.


Westminster CC have taken something in the region of £2,000,000 from bikers in London since the start of the scheme. You can bet your bottom euro that councils all around the country are watching to see how this pans out. If Westminster decide to extend this scheme, even in the face of public opposition, I'll guarantee that you'll see similar schemes all over the country. Unlike congestion charging, it only targets a small subset of road users and will not have any of the controversy that surrounds road charging. Ergo, easy to slip in and justify.

With regards the MP comment, people have written to their MP's, however it is a local government matter, not a central one. Unless they decide to revamp the legislation that allows the delegation of parking powers to local authorities, parliament will be able to do very little.

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so what is it that makes bikers so special we dont have to pay for parking??????


Apart from our devil-may-care attitudes and stunning looks? Well, TFL and the Mayor have acknowledged that the use of bikes is an effective means of beating congestion in the city. They've opened up the bus lanes (albeit experimentally) in order to make it easier and have specifically exempted us from the congestion charge.

Westminster has completely ignored their lead and turned us into a revenue generating scheme, in complete opposition to TFL and the Mayor. This is despite WCC having more money than they reasonably know what to do with.

There is also the small matter of typical local government incompetence, spite and malice- failure to notify properly, deliberate moving of the goalposts to prevent objections, lies over the facilities that have been provided in return for our cash (Of which I've not spotted any in Westminster. Camden and Lambeth, yes, but they don't charge!). It's a farce, frankly. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that those in favour of the system have a vested interest in the company chosen to provide the charging system.
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PostPosted: 12:04 - 24 Feb 2009    Post subject: See you all there! Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 13:20 - 24 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

multijoy wrote:

Westminster CC have taken something in the region of £2,000,000 from bikers in London since the start of the scheme. You can bet your bottom euro that councils all around the country are watching to see how this pans out. If Westminster decide to extend this scheme, even in the face of public opposition, I'll guarantee that you'll see similar schemes all over the country. Unlike congestion charging, it only targets a small subset of road users and will not have any of the controversy that surrounds road charging. Ergo, easy to slip in and justify.





That's a fair point, but if/when it does get to that stage, I won't be paying. And I won't be paying the subsequent fines.
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PostPosted: 02:56 - 28 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anybody going to go on this demo? Think my dad is and i will be as long as my bikes back on the road.

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PostPosted: 08:15 - 28 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just as a matter of interest - how do you pay for bike parking and demonstrate that you have paid?

All the car parks around here are pay and display, so I'm not sure how it works, as clearly a sticky ticket isn't going to stay put for a number of reasons Rolling Eyes

Do you all have to do the text phone thing with your number plate and location? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 17:12 - 28 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

the parking near me asks bikes to tear the ticket in half and leave half and bike and half with you. unsure how the date is found ho. could just have one for the year Confused

but asda give 2 tickets so you can get the money back when you pay inside. so you leave 1 on the bike and 1 in the pocket
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 28 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I live in Woking but would still go and support if it was nt a week day, can only really do weekends.
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