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PostPosted: 16:46 - 09 Mar 2009    Post subject: RAFA Rideout Reply with quote

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https://www.rafa.org.uk/fundraising-eastereggrun.asp

Starting points in Newtown, Birmingham, Leicester, Wolverhampton & Wrexham. All finally meeting at the Museum, DCAE Cosford.

£5 entry to go to the RAFA and eggs to go to RAF personnel & families

A bunch of mates & I will be setting off from the Wrexham meet.

The Wings Easter Egg Run is in aid of the RAF Association Wings Appeal
https://www.wingsappeal.org.uk/
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PostPosted: 16:59 - 09 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattsprattuk wrote:
so why is the money going to them exactly?


From the RAFA site

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This enables us to provide a range of welfare services which include over 3,000 respite care breaks, over 25,000 welfare visits to homes and hospitals, advice on family and financial issues, guidance and representation on War Disablement and War Widow pensions and sheltered housing facilities.


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PostPosted: 19:08 - 09 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

my point is... they knew what they were signing up for from day 1. if they got injured or disabled and whatnot, then so be it. they knew it could happen.

so your giving them this money on top of what they get from a pension?

i most certainly wont be donating.
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Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith
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PostPosted: 19:30 - 09 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattsprattuk wrote:
my point is... they knew what they were signing up for from day 1. if they got injured or disabled and whatnot, then so be it. they knew it could happen.

so your giving them this money on top of what they get from a pension?

i most certainly wont be donating.


You're a fucking dick then. These people volunteer to go to war on our behalf - sure, you may not agree with the war itself, but the armed services personnel go anyway. They go, risk their lives and their health and wellbeing so you can sleep soundly in bed at night.

When they come back crippled or having orphaned their kids the government gives them very little support. The only true support they get is from organisations such as the British Legion, the Naval veterans association, whatever the Army veterans get and the Royal Airforces association.

"I won't be donating, these people knew they could be maimed and crippled." Yes they knew it could happen, but I suspect they also thought they would get some sort of support from our ineffectual nanny state government. Support which they do not get.

Don't you dare disrespect veterans of armed conflict. You are not even a hundredth of the person that they are.
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 09 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattsprattuk wrote:
my point is... they knew what they were signing up for from day 1. if they got injured or disabled and whatnot, then so be it. they knew it could happen.

so your giving them this money on top of what they get from a pension?

i most certainly wont be donating.


Because we all know how evil the British Army, Royal Navy and Royal Air Force are, don't we. Not only do they get paid less than the emergency services, they actually have to do the emergency services job for them when they throw a hissy fit and want another pay rise. Added to that they have to follow all of the overseas objectives that the government that you elected wants to achieve and at the same time defend you against hijacked and unidentified aircraft, russian bombers, soviet missile submarines and find and pull you out of the water if your boat sinks and save you when your town gets flooded.
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PostPosted: 20:11 - 09 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

no-one forced them to join the RAF. they arent heroes, just people getting paid to do something.

its manual labour.

a worthy cause is something like the RSPCA or NSPCC that try and stop pedos doing animals and kids.

not just giving money to people who were in the RAF, or know someone who was in the RAF.
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 09 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saw this on Losnet news, unfortunately Lossiemouth's a bit far to travel. Hope you have a great ride! Thumbs Up

And people like me only consider doing the job we do because of the support of associations like this. We also donate heavily into the RAFA ourselves. The majority of service personnel do.
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 09 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattsprattuk wrote:
its manual labour.


Manual labour which could result in the death or maiming of the labourer, and long term physical and psychological damage. Just like working in a factory. Rolling Eyes

Here's a question for you: You mentioned the RSPCA. What makes animals any more deserving of your donations than service personnel?

What makes sick injured and disturbed children more worthy than sick injured and disturbed service people? I'd like to see a detailed answer as to why that is the case.
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PostPosted: 22:24 - 09 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stop trolling Matt, you disrespectful twat.
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 09 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the loss of life argument, I'd say people in the RAF arent exposed to that much risk really. Probably more dangerous riding a motorbike. Plenty of people off here have died.

The army is pretty risky for loss of life or limb tho. Loads of soldiers get killed and maimed these days, with Afghanistan, and Iraq, but they choose to participate in illegal wars, invading countries that didnt attack us.

If they go into someones country with the intent to kill, they pretty much deserve what they get.

They obviously dont see it that way, so I wouldnt begrudge people giving to a fund for wounded soldiers, or families of dead soldiers.

Mind you if people want to give money to the RAF, its not the end of the world.

I've been known to tip people in pizza hut, and to be honest RAF personnel are probably a more worthy cause really, even if they get paid a fuck load more.
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PostPosted: 22:40 - 09 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
mattsprattuk wrote:
its manual labour.


Manual labour which could result in the death or maiming of the labourer, and long term physical and psychological damage. Just like working in a factory. Rolling Eyes

Here's a question for you: You mentioned the RSPCA. What makes animals any more deserving of your donations than service personnel?

What makes sick injured and disturbed children more worthy than sick injured and disturbed service people? I'd like to see a detailed answer as to why that is the case.


the RSPCA is a more worthy cause because the animals dont choose it, and they have no way of getting out of it.
same with the NSPCC.

as far as im concerned, if you have the mentality of ''lolz, lets go 2 warr'', then you deserve to get shot for being so fucking stupid.
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 09 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 i'd agree with you on the risk if they weren't flying POS that need updates to be safe (eg look at the nimrod fleet)

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''lolz, lets go 2 warr''

yeah right most people sign up cause they want to (in my case when i wanted to) fly fast jets people sign up for the opportunity and the training it gives them not to live out some weird gamer-eques fantasies

having been a beneficiary (not as a serving member, my father died in service in an accident ) of the benevolent fund, i can't espouse the work they do enough, without them i'd probably never have made it to uni let alone the PhD i'm doing now.
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 09 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattsprattuk wrote:


the RSPCA is a more worthy cause because the animals dont choose it, and they have no way of getting out of it.
same with the NSPCC.

as far as im concerned, if you have the mentality of ''lolz, lets go 2 warr'', then you deserve to get shot for being so fucking stupid.


You really are fucking clueless.
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PostPosted: 23:06 - 09 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
On the loss of life argument, I'd say people in the RAF arent exposed to that much risk really. Probably more dangerous riding a motorbike. Plenty of people off here have died.

The army is pretty risky for loss of life or limb tho. Loads of soldiers get killed and maimed these days, with Afghanistan, and Iraq, but they choose to participate in illegal wars, invading countries that didnt attack us.

If they go into someones country with the intent to kill, they pretty much deserve what they get.


So all the soldiers had a sit down and decided to go to war did they ? no there following orders the least people can do is show support for them when they come home.

So do bikers deserve what they get for riding a bike. Stop being such a fucking tool
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PostPosted: 23:59 - 09 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick606 wrote:
colin1 wrote:
On the loss of life argument, I'd say people in the RAF arent exposed to that much risk really. Probably more dangerous riding a motorbike. Plenty of people off here have died.

The army is pretty risky for loss of life or limb tho. Loads of soldiers get killed and maimed these days, with Afghanistan, and Iraq, but they choose to participate in illegal wars, invading countries that didnt attack us.

If they go into someones country with the intent to kill, they pretty much deserve what they get.


So all the soldiers had a sit down and decided to go to war did they ? no there following orders the least people can do is show support for them when they come home.

So do bikers deserve what they get for riding a bike. Stop being such a fucking tool


no one is forcing them to join the army/RAF are they?

hey, i was told to change a driveshaft on a SUPACAT a few weeks a go, i did it... give me a fucking medal and some charity money. how brave of me. i could have been crushed by 5 tons of vehicle during it.

basically a job is a job, they all have their dangers (even an office job... you might get so bored you commit suicide).
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PostPosted: 00:28 - 10 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your probably on a lot more money them then for doing a lot less and if you got injured at work you would get a much larger payout. For the job the armed forces do they don't get payed enough.
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PostPosted: 00:32 - 10 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick606 wrote:
Your probably on a lot more money them then for doing a lot less and if you got injured at work you would get a much larger payout. For the job the armed forces do they don't get payed enough.


so maybe they should get other jobs if the pay is so shit.

it all boils down to ''they are there out of choice''.
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PostPosted: 00:51 - 10 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think if someone decides that they want to join the armed forces to make a difference and do a good job that they deserve the very least our support unconditionally. I certainly am not going to sign up because I would be scared shitless and would hate to be in those situations.

There are a few from my way who have joined the armed forces because there was nothing else for them to do (a lot of them created that fate for themselves by not giving a shit if Im honest) but unless they are complaining about the consequences of getting shot at whilst getting a wage better than the dole they would have been on then they still deserve our support. Confused
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PostPosted: 01:00 - 10 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

stop being a dick matt atleast there doing a job that makes a difference, while your sat at home wanking yourself silly. Its not exactly easy to get a good paying job its just down to luck really.
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PostPosted: 01:03 - 10 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattsprattuk wrote:
nick606 wrote:
Your probably on a lot more money them then for doing a lot less and if you got injured at work you would get a much larger payout. For the job the armed forces do they don't get payed enough.


so maybe they should get other jobs if the pay is so shit.

it all boils down to ''they are there out of choice''.


Would you say the same for coppers or firemen that getting injured in the line of duty?
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PostPosted: 01:19 - 10 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now, now you know that all policemen are powertripping egostatistical pigs who want nothing more than to bully anyone unfortunate enough to get in their way and stop us from being able to everything we want to.


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PostPosted: 01:21 - 10 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt, are you really so ignorant that you think RAFA just "top up" the wages of serving RAF personnel?

I'd laugh if that wasn't quite so sad. Confused

Think of RAFA as being sort of like a union. A lot of their funding, far from being given to serving members, actually comes from deductions from their wages.

The support they offer varies widely but is mostly respite and convalescence care for ex-servicemen. They are also very involved in reuniting old comrades, and supporting the families of ex-servicemen who have either died or are dependent on benefits for various reasons.

Did you even look at their website? https://www.rafa.org.uk/history.asp

Did you even read the OP as well? It clearly stated that the cash donations would go to RAFA and (the bit I think you misunderstood) any eggs brought along would be distributed to the children of serving servicemen. So maybe each kiddie will get an extra 99p smarties egg this year, whoopeedoo. And just maybe that kid will be able to go to Uni at some point in his or her life even if their mum or dad has died or cannot afford to support them.

If you have any connnections to the RAF you would understand.

You are not forced to donate to this cause and could choose to ignore both the thread and the ride if you wish.

All you are doing at the moment is exposing your ignorance and making yourself look foolish. If you're not interested butt out.
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PostPosted: 06:56 - 10 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

When the troops invaded Iraq there were very few casualities (around 30 IIRC), most of the losses were in the reconstruction and peacekeeping of Iraq, making Iraq a better place for Iraqi's.

[quote="DaveJPS"]colin1 i'd agree with you on the risk if they weren't flying POS that need updates to be safe (eg look at the nimrod fleet)
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Nimrod MR4 = Nimrod upgrade currently in progress.
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PostPosted: 08:55 - 10 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote=Im-a-Ridah]Nimrod MR4 = Nimrod upgrade currently in progress.[/quote]

aye i ken, it was just an example of the POS ppl have to fly, esp since it is 1 year after the accident which caused the coroner to request the fleet be grounded.
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