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JAMSXR
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PostPosted: 14:45 - 12 Mar 2009    Post subject: Working on oil rigs Reply with quote

Anyone have any experience?

After doing some research on the net, my conclusion is that it involves; up to 13 hours a day, spending 2 weeks at a time away from home, hard physical work which can be dangerous.

On the plus side you can earn between £500-1000 a week with little experience, and you only work half a year, 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off.
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PostPosted: 16:57 - 12 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The tax breaks they used to get are no more, so it's a whole lot less profitable thank it used to be. That and the chance the helicopter taking you out there might plunge into the sea...
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PostPosted: 18:22 - 12 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shifts are 12 hours, however you get an hour of breaks and going for dinner eats into another hour.

ATM 2 weeks on two off is still there, but more and more contracts are moving to 2 on 3 off.

You forgot to factor in the paid holidays in your calculations, we got agreement last year for 2 weeks paid, moving to 4 weeks, although the employers are making moves to fight back on this one.

As for £500-£1000 per week, get a grip man Shocked Minimum pay on the rigs through the OCS agreement for unskilled workers is over £200 per day.

Remember you need your BOSIET training as a minimum qualification, and trust me, getting a start can be difficult.
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PostPosted: 18:37 - 12 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recently met a bloke who worked on a ship or oil rig doing something with oil or gas. He said that he got 5 weeks on 5 weeks off, but for the 5 weeks off they would fly him anywhere he wanted. He also said that he didnt pay any tax at all (somehow by telling the uk government that he was resident elsewhere etc) When i met him he was in Thailand living it up for another week before he had to go back to work!!
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PostPosted: 18:38 - 12 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just been on a night out with a lad that's been on the rigs, think he does a month on, month off.

He's not short of a few pennies, put it that way.
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 12 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

month on/off is common when you work abroad, both those examples are boys that do not work in the UK sector, and by staying away just one of there months off they can escapeUK taxes.

Maximum working trip in UK is 3 weeks unless special dispensation is recieved from the HSE to add on a fourth (not common)
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PostPosted: 19:57 - 12 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I looked in to this quite a while back.

Another similar area to look in to is Merchant navy. They pay £15k a year for you to go and train at Uni/college at the moment. Pay is good once qualified but obviously social life goes down the shitter unless your best friends called longbeard.
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 12 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reuben wrote:
I looked in to this quite a while back.

Another similar area to look in to is Merchant navy. They pay £15k a year for you to go and train at Uni/college at the moment. Pay is good once qualified but obviously social life goes down the shitter unless your best friends called longbeard.


they pay around 9K a year for training, but the qualifications make it very easy if you want to change to rig work Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 12 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

To get on the rigs you need the survival course(Bosiet) at a cot of about £700 excluding hotels etc.

Then its a case of getting a start somewhere, invariable Ad Hoc to start with, many companies not taking on just now (drilling rigs are actually laying off) and many workers are scratching their arses on zero hour contracts (especially in catering).

Employment law seems to be interpretted differently out here, for instance the 10% pay rise agreed by all companies last year involved in the OCA seems now to have been taken back, resulting in pay cuts of the same amount, whilst as I have already said the paid holidays agreed to seem also to be under threat.

OCA is a group of oil companies/contractors who are basically a cartel, in an effort to stop unions getting to much influence out here.
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 12 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reuben wrote:
I looked in to this quite a while back.

Another similar area to look in to is Merchant navy. They pay £15k a year for you to go and train at Uni/college at the moment. Pay is good once qualified but obviously social life goes down the shitter unless your best friends called longbeard.


Problem is international shipping has died off quite steeply as well figures of of the baltic and HK shipping index state China's shipping is down by 45% , Korea down by 35% , theres less ships out there.

This is why all my Korean shipping agents are having trouble finding ships to stick my bike on for the trip home.
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PostPosted: 22:59 - 12 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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they pay around 9K a year for training, but the qualifications make it very easy if you want to change to rig work

I know of one place where they are getting paid just under £15k.

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Problem is international shipping has died off quite steeply as well figures of of the baltic and HK shipping index state China's shipping is down by 45% , Korea down by 35% , theres less ships out there.

This is why all my Korean shipping agents are having trouble finding ships to stick my bike on for the trip home.

Apparently there is a very big drop in skilled merchant navy, so the insurers are forcing the incentive to train more people as they wont insure/pay out due to lack of skilled people. Cheaper for them this way apparently. There is still a big demand (with incentives) to join the merchant navy.
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PostPosted: 23:43 - 12 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reuben wrote:
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they pay around 9K a year for training, but the qualifications make it very easy if you want to change to rig work

I know of one place where they are getting paid just under £15k.


Wish I got 15k Crying or Very sad

not too long now though Thumbs Up

Itchy wrote:
This is why all my Korean shipping agents are having trouble finding ships to stick my bike on for the trip home.


Where does it need shipping from and how fast do you need it back?

I might be of some use for once Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:49 - 12 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

kwaker6r wrote:
To get on the rigs you need the survival course(Bosiet) at a cot of about £700 excluding hotels etc.


I didn't know Bear Grylls was a roughneck Shocked
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PostPosted: 02:15 - 13 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are in UK more than 90 days you pay TAX.

Six months out and six months in is more than 90 days.

You can offset the tax liability only by staying out the UK and in 90 days or less.

Or.

Your employer pays the TAX for you and you get a Declaration to that for the tax man here.
Best to get an accountant who's completely familiar with expat fiscal matters to handle that.

Jobs just now are rarer than Rocking Horse shite so do not get your hopes up.

And you would need to be lucky and keep trying anyway.
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PostPosted: 09:55 - 13 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the advice guys.

It is something I will be looking into.

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Kwaker how long have you been working on rigs for, and what age were you when you started?
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PostPosted: 10:20 - 13 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been out here about 2 1/2 years, was about 35 when I came out.

I followed a less conventional route, I came out on the back of my SAP experience, done about a year or so as a storeman then got a job as a materials controller, (company then paid for my Dangerous Goods Courses Wink )

I have always worked Ad Hoc, and after landing my first job havn't really had trouble staying in work. For instance I was made redundant on a Thursday as a contract was cut back then picked up again on the Monday.

So I would say do not be blinkered at the type of jobs available out here, there is plenty to choose apart from the better known more obvious routes. As for trades in demand, I mostly see them struggling to find riggers & scaffolders, especially at shutdown time (summer usually) but those guys can be kicking their heels over xmas period.
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PostPosted: 10:31 - 13 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the advice, you have been very helpful.
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 13 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
If you are in UK more than 90 days you pay TAX.

Six months out and six months in is more than 90 days.

You can offset the tax liability only by staying out the UK and in 90 days or less.

Or.

Your employer pays the TAX for you and you get a Declaration to that for the tax man here.
Best to get an accountant who's completely familiar with expat fiscal matters to handle that.

Jobs just now are rarer than Rocking Horse shite so do not get your hopes up.

And you would need to be lucky and keep trying anyway.


In steps me..

To perform the tax dodge you need to do this (perfectly legal),
once you get back onto UK land leave for the airport immediately and fly somewhere else, even though the rules have changed a bit HMRC still uses the where do you spend 11.59pm principle , it used to be transit days were completely written off. But not anymore, one of my former clients transited in the UK regularly and was not liable to pay tax but when the rules changed he had to pay loads of it due to the 11.59pm principle.

So you get off the helicopter run for the nearest airport to Spain or something and you completely avoid UK tax on this exemption.

That said the constant running to Spain or what not will obviously build up on costs, AND Spain will probably want your taxes instead.
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PostPosted: 13:16 - 13 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Much easier & more common to set yourself up as a limited company Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 13 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

kwaker6r wrote:
Much easier & more common to set yourself up as a limited company Thumbs Up


Can't do that anymore in that if more than 50% of your work is for the same company you aren't actually a separate company and you will be forced onto the company payroll.
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 13 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

However if you are a contractor (like most) you will rarely be on the same contract for 6 months, therefore a very good chance of working for multiple oil companies.

However in saying that, most of the guys in the office are also limited companies, so is this a recent change?
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 13 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

kwaker6r wrote:
However if you are a contractor (like most) you will rarely be on the same contract for 6 months, therefore a very good chance of working for multiple oil companies.

However in saying that, most of the guys in the office are also limited companies, so is this a recent change?


Its been around for absolutely ages it is more geared towards CIS subcontractors , though it still applies in that the oil company in effect subcontracts its workers.

There was guidance issued mid way through 2008 whereby it stated who was a subcontractor and who was a employee, the tests have been since my tax exams around 2004...

The government got around this by changing non corporate dividend distributions, and thus there is a 1% difference in tax and NIC contributions (which can be fairly substantial) so the benefit is much smaller than it was before. Ie you either pay corporation tax or you pay income tax,
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PostPosted: 16:23 - 13 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

kwaker6r wrote:
I followed a less conventional route, I came out on the back of my SAP experience


Shocked

Do you mean

Satanic
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By gads, I pity you.
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PostPosted: 17:30 - 13 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol thats the one, although out here it is kinda basic in its use. Maximo is far easier to use and more effective, and only took an hours training to learn Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:58 - 13 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

kwaker6r wrote:
lol thats the one, although out here it is kinda basic in its use. Maximo is far easier to use and more effective, and only took an hours training to learn Laughing


We've went from using SAP to STAR, which is alot easier. I've used Maximo at my old job on the beach and it was very simple.
I always thought SAP stood for Shit And Piss? Wink

As for the Tax, if you work abroad your company will usually give you a letter stating that all your taxes have been paid to the local Goverment/Single Pary State/Junta (I worked in Burma Rolling Eyes ) as long as they have a double taxation agreement with the UK. We are in Vietnam at the moment and will be given an official letter from the Vietnamese Communist Party and from our employer stating that all local taxes have been paid Wink at 50% because we earn more than 70 million dong a month and are in Vietnam for more than 180 days a year. As they have a double taxation agreement with the uk I only pay my NI contributions Very Happy (hopefully Sad )
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