Who belives in global warming

[igiyf]

Boring post im wondering who believes in it..name your self and give me your reasons why

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/Rest-of-World/Financial-crisis-nothing-compared-to-climate-change-Prince-Charles/articleshow/4258164.cms

[ish765]

I think most experts agree it is happening. How much of it is natural seems to be in dispute. Very hard to work out due to the complexity of the planets weather systems, and the effect of things in the universe.
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[Kickstart]

Hi

Depends what you really mean by global warming.

Basis theory is true and no way to argue against it. If it wasn't true we would be shivering on a block of ice floating around the sun.

However if you mean man made global warming then it is far more complex. The basic theory is sound, that CO2 (amoung many other gases, CO2 being a fairly poor greenhouse gas) traps energy that is reflected from the earth as heat and causes warming. An increased level of CO2 will by this basic theory increase global temperatures.

However where the theory comes unstuck is all the assumptions made based on it. For example it seems poorly understood how much of an increase causes how much more energy to be retain. If a linear relationship is assumed then you will get very different results than if there is a fairly limited band where CO2 is important (sort of like poison gas, if you have enough poison gas to kill everyone in a room then you do not make them any more dead by increasing the amount).

There is also the major issue of feedback mechanisms. Even assuming that the claimed CO2 warming is accurate it only counts for about 1/3 of the claimed total warming. The rest is due to feedbacks which are even more poorly understood. For example higher temperatures should result in more water vapour in the atmosphere, and water vapour is a far more important greenhouse gas than CO2, hence this is an assumed warming feedback. However that is counteracted by the formation of clouds, which in themselves can have a warming or cooling effect depending on their level but this seems to be poorly understood let alone accounted for.

There is a substantial body of scientists who do not agree with global warming theories. For example the main NASA guy pushing the global warming agenda is James Hanson, but it has recently come out that his recently retired boss is a sceptic.

Even ignoring the evidence and just trying to base a decision on how many scientific supporters each side has is not easy. For example check out this document where someone went to the effort of identifying the names that had been counted twice as contributors to the IPCC report. As the total number is given as a about 4000 who support IPCC supported claims, this knocks that figure down by about 25% (even ignoring claims of whether contributors actually support the conclusions). There are similar errors in the numbers of supporters claimed by the other side.

There is also the issue of whether any warming is happening at all at the moment. It is pretty much acknowledged that the temperature has been stable for the last decade (some claim a small amount of cooling, some claim warming but really depends on whether you base your start point on cooler 1997 or warmer 1998) yet CO2 has continued to increase. Question is whether this stability is due to something counteracting the CO2 based rise, or whether the previous small warming was from something else and not related to CO2.

To summarise, I do believe in the basic idea of possible man made global warming. I do not beleive that current understanding in any way supports current political hysteria about it, nor do I believe we are anywhere close to understanding it. Far too much of the current scare mongering is politically motivated.

All the best

Keith
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[WishayKillie]

I just think it's a crock of shit and an excuse to force "green taxes" on people.
There are too many other external forces that effect our weather for us to have any real impact. For one that great big yellow blob in the sky might have some sort of impact on the climate not me tuning my central heating up to 24! Omg think of the polar bears when you boil that full kettle for one cup of tea. Fuck off hippies.
So what cause the last ice age / heating up on the planet? All those T-Rex's chasing it's prey in a BMW X5? Nah dont think so.
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[ish765]

I tell you what I don’t believe, I don’t believe the sheer amount of co2 we are pumping into the atmosphere has no effect. How can it not?

I also don’t think there is much disagreement among sensible people that putting as much co2 into the atmosphere as we like is probably not a good idea. It seems very unfair to future generations to just say we can’t prove the overall impact, therefore we should ignore what we do know about what it does.
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[Itchy]

Still nobody has explained why Mars is suffering warming though , must be all those martians in their very well hidden SUVs.


Its hard to tangle any truth in that there are vested interests on both sides , scientists who want research grants , oil companies, governments wanting more control.
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[igiyf]

[Kickstart]

[The View Askew]

How do we predict millions of years ago? do we simply base this on the trend when we started accurately recording it and follow it backwards in its given direction?

Up in this case?
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[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

The earth's climate is changing yes, but I don't think we are having a noticable effect on it either way.
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[Phoenix]

Badly worded poll, yes I think maybe the climate is changing, not necessarily global warming as you put it, however the climate has always been changing, we have bugger all to do with it, it's just a another good way to keep everyone in check by blaming ourselves.

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[igiyf]

But what about the millions global warming has already killed and the 100"s of millions it will?

[Charlie]

Who has died from global warming?
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[ish765]

That’s if you believe there was an ice age..
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[Peter3hg]

I would say its existence is undeniable but the fact that we as humans have had any hand in it, or can do anything to stop it is very deniable.

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[Catalyst]

The whole thing is ridiculous.

They can't even get the weather right for the weekend so how the hell can they predict the weather for 30 years away?!
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[Hetzer]

It's more likely caused by the 26,000 year cycle of our system passing through the galactic eliptical plane (peaks in december 2012). According to some 'experts', and tied in with the end of the Mayan calendar, this is when the poles might reverse, cataclysms may occur and general other weird stuff might happen (change of biological frequency etc).

The basic solution is to go "I don't give a fuck, get fucked and where can I pick up a cheap 3.5ltr Shogun?"

It's a fucking video-game, and there are more important things to worry about.
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[The Artist]

What kickstart said

So much money has been spent and political decisions have been made around the assumption that it is out fault the earths temperature changes.

Yes we produce co2, but the amount is minimal.
Loads of c02 is stored in the sea, so if the temperatures rises a bit, more is released and people assume its the c02 that we pumped out that did this.

Its very complicated and I do not agree with the majority of claims.
Big organisations find it hard to admit they have made a mistake. (reminds me of changeling)