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Gashead Harry
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PostPosted: 00:49 - 14 Mar 2009    Post subject: Tyre Fitting Reply with quote

Is it possible to fit tyres to a bike myself. What tools will i need for this job as I dont want to be damaging the rims? Im also concerned about wheel balancing is that an issue?

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PostPosted: 01:41 - 14 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Abba do a kit for about £150 I think with everything required, I'm considering getting it myself.
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PostPosted: 01:43 - 14 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's do-able for a tenner...
https://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=299597
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PostPosted: 08:38 - 14 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you got tubed wheels then its as easy as a push bike and all you need is some tyre levers to get the tyres off.

If they are tubeless, then its not quite as easy, but can be done. Hardest part can be breaking the seal on the old tyre's and then getting the new tyre to seat properly. As you need a good amount of air pressure to do this.
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PostPosted: 08:46 - 14 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

If its for your CG it won't be a big problem, I'm guessing its a tubed tyre? You need a couple of tyre levers or tyre spoons at least 12" long, rim protectors, I use some scraps of leather but you can buy them, a bit of lube, a weak mix of washing up liquid works fine and maybe a valve tool.

Total cost is about 20 quid and up to an hour of your life! I made my own balancer but the local shop only charges £2 so this might be a better option. The last two tyres didn't need any weights simply because I lined up the dot properly to the valve.

Just be careful you don't pinch the tube.

Take a look at this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anyY0UO5gqk. Yes I know its tubeless but there are some good hints, especially the bead breaker.
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 14 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:

If they are tubeless, then its not quite as easy, but can be done. Hardest part can be breaking the seal on the old tyre's and then getting the new tyre to seat properly. As you need a good amount of air pressure to do this.


For years I used a spade and a doorstep to break the bead, works fine and never damaged a wheel doing so.

But if you want something a bit more controlled, then the cheapest (non home made) breaker on the market seems to be a kart bead breaker. I have one now and it works just fine (need to use bits of wood to level the wheel)!! Smile

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/KART-BEAD-BREAKER-BRAND-NEW-TOP-QUALITY_W0QQitemZ270354642541

Its then just lots of soapy water and some tyre leavers to get the tyre off. Use a some short pieces of slitted garden hose pipe as rim protectors.


Then put the new tyre on. Remove the inner part of the valve to allow maximum airflow and then use a DOUBLE barrel footpump to inflate. They can sometimes be a bit stubborn, so just move the tyre about a bit until it pops on. As long as you have a double barrel pump, you shouldn't need a compressor. .. if it is a tubed tyre, then none of that is a consideration ... Wink

You then balance it using the wheel spindle and 2 axle stands. Basically put the wheel on there, spin slowly, then let it come to rest, the heavy bit will always be at the bottom when it comes to rest. So you duck-tape some old weights on the opposite side (the top). Rinse and repeat until you are happy!! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 14 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or just run the loose wheel and new tyre to your local watling tyres / kwik fit / ATS and give one of the lads a £5er to fit it for you.




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PostPosted: 18:55 - 14 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do tubed tyres on trail bikes all the time these days, following this guide:
https://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50717

Need some tyre levers and rim protectors if you don't want to scratch the rims. Started off using rim protectors, then looked at my rims (wheels are from bikes doing enduro and motocross) and realised a few more scratches wasn't going to make much difference.
Actually a decent bit easier than with the rim protectors, I reckon.

Usually just jump on it to break the bead, but actually had a bit of problem last night. Ended up doing it by putting two tyre levers in upside down to push the tyre down a bit, then one in between those to the right way up. Once the bead was broken there, the rest popped off by hand.

nowhere.elysium wrote:

I like that Thumbs Up.
May have to try on my zx9 spare wheel, though not so sure about their method for removing tyres!

Oh and kiwk fit etc don't seem to be open at the sort of times I'm available generally... never mind if the bike was my only transport (and I'd spend a fortune on the dirt bikes anyway as always swapping around.)
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PostPosted: 19:30 - 14 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad it's (hopefully) helpful to someone. I have to admit that I'd much rather change the tyres myself than let some eedjit at kwik-fit, or some thoroughly expensive bike shop dude snaffle my hard-earned cash for the sake of changing rubber.
Also, thet lube stuff they use for fitting tyres makes a godawful mess, and I'll (hopefully, again) have just resprayed my bike by then, so I don't want tyre jizz all over it.
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 14 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

nowhere.elysium wrote:
I'd much rather change the tyres myself than let some eedjit at kwik-fit.



I'm a supervisor at Kwik-Fit and I fit bike tyres for myself and my friends all the time.

Can guarantee a non scratched wheel. Cant say the same about doing it on your garden patio with some tyre levers.



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PostPosted: 22:25 - 14 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

binge wrote:

I'm a supervisor at Kwik-Fit and I fit bike tyres for myself and my friends all the time.

Can guarantee a non scratched wheel. Cant say the same about doing it on your garden patio with some tyre levers.



Ben


Sadly the same can't be said for the other monkey feckwhits that tend to work at tyre places ...

I'd much rather put a ding in my own wheel than pay someone to put one in!! ...

I've done enough now that I don't do any damage ... the split hosepipe as a rim protector is a great little trick!! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:36 - 14 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue_SV650S wrote:
the split hosepipe as a rim protector is a great little trick!! Thumbs Up

I tried that, but it didn't seem to work too great for me - however may have either been my numptyness as this was one of my early attempts, or cheap/old hosepipe. The rim protectors do the job well and cost a fiver or something anyway.
I'm probably easily saving over a £100 a year doing it this way all-in and a reasonable amount of time too.
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PostPosted: 22:46 - 14 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

i worked at shit fit for a couple of years theres no way on this earth ide take my car or bike there after seeing what most(not all)the numptys at shit fit get up to
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PostPosted: 22:54 - 14 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue_SV650S wrote:
the split hosepipe as a rim protector is a great little trick!! Thumbs Up



The £6000 Tyre machine in my workshop is a better little trick. Laughing


I know what you mean about the numptys working for tyre trades. Alot of them have just left school and dont have a CLUE what they are doing. I've been fitting tyres since I was 15. I'm 21 now. So pretty good at it.



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PostPosted: 23:03 - 14 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

binge wrote:

The £6000 Tyre machine in my workshop is a better little trick. Laughing


I know what you mean about the numptys working for tyre trades. Alot of them have just left school and dont have a CLUE what they are doing. I've been fitting tyres since I was 15. I'm 21 now. So pretty good at it.



Ben


They don't have a clue, but more importantly don't give a feck ... its not their wheel ... when I work on my wheels (or bike) its done with the utmost care as ... well it is mine ... if I was changing customers tyres all day every day, presumably with pressure for a quick turnaround, I wouldn't give a feck either!!

Its great if you have access to the 'proper' tools and can DIY or get a trusted mate to DIY, but for us mortals, its not an option and I'd rather get a spade and some tyre leavers out, than pay a plonker not to take any care of my wheel ...
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PostPosted: 23:08 - 14 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meh, They're not all bad. Watling tyres would be the best option if you are look at it from that perspective as they are motorcycle specialists.




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PostPosted: 23:11 - 14 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

binge, I apologise if I've caused any offence. All I can say is that I haven't heard anything positive about them in years, and my experiences with having car tyres fitted there were pretty atrocious.
I've always been a DIY sort of guy, and the link I posted seems to be a good and easy way to fit/remove tyres. I've never said it's superior to a garage job, my implication was that I've had bad experiences of Kwik Fit, and as such, I would not use their services again. As for other garages: well, that's pretty much the same story, just at a higher hourly rate, is all.
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PostPosted: 23:18 - 14 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

You've not caused offense. I get it all the time mate. Laughing

Looking at your profile, Your in London. Some of the Worst Kwik-Fits and other auto centers are based in the Capital. And most of the Kwik-fits up north are pretty grim too.

Its easier said than done, But as long as you get a decent center, then you're alright. There's only 3 of us at our center. Manager, Myself, and a master fitter. Been after an apprentice for a while because the workload gets a bit much sometimes.

We do head gaskets, Cam Belts, Alternators, Water pumps etc in our depot too. The other fella I work with is an ex-service tech so he knows his stuff.

However, 5 minutes up the road theres another depot, Which is packed out with under 18 fitters who knock jobs out with little respect for anything really.

Same goes with Main dealer garages I suppose. I've worked for VW in the past. They are just as bad, If not worse Than auto centers like Kwik-fit.

At least in Fast fit centers the customer has the option to stand and watch. At main dealer your car goes in that workshop, and you don't see it again until It's parked out on the forecourt.




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PostPosted: 08:40 - 15 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's definitely true about the dealerships.
In honesty, the only place I've heard of in London that's supposed to be any good is Essential Rubber: I only say that because the couriers I know swear by it. Still probably going to do it myself, though: tyres themselves are expensive enough, without the rim-scratching surcharge, and I can't be arsed to get it done outside of London. The thought of having to do a motorway run on totally fresh tyres kinda gives me the fear, especially if I don't totally trust the fitting.
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 15 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have to balance tubed tyres?
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PostPosted: 15:59 - 15 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, tubed tyres are no different.
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