got a pg9

[b1g5m0k3]

hi, i got pulled over tonight for no reason at all, the police had a good look round my car (its abit of an old banger) and they found my rear shock obsobers to be defective. they then said i cannot drive the car home so i had to call the AA to bring the car home.

anyway the police issued me a pg9 and said i may or may not be summond to court for the offence of driving a defective vehcile.

i am very worried because i had no idea my rear shocks were defective and i have only had my liecence for 9 months and i dont want to loose it. what do you think will happen?

[Fawbish]

Did it have a valid MOT?

Last time I checked, standard police arent qualified to say whether a car is mechanically safe or not. And considering there arent many tests you can do to rear shocks bar jumping up and down on them, how did they know?

havent had this myself, but I suspect you've been preyed upon
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[faddius]

As said, how can they know if the rear shocks are defective?

You said it was night when he pulled you, was it dark? How can they tell if theyre defective if its dark? Did they bounce the shocks? If they did they can use the momentum to make it look worse than it actually is.

Unless its an obvious fault, like if the car leans to one corner like theres a really fat person it when there isnt anyone in it, I think your safe if you got a valid MoT.

But yeah, take it to an MoT station, if they say its ok - go to the police station with the mot certificate and ask to talk to someone important - dont let them fob you off, your within your rights to talk to an officer holding a superior position than a desk monkey, and tell them you think you have been preyed upon.

I know some police forces take complaints like that extremely seriously - I had a problem where a patrol car kept following me trying to spook me for 20 mins till I ended up loosing it and trying to get away from them, they then tried to have be done for speeding, driving without due care etc. etc.

I had to bitch and whine to see a superior officer when I was down the station, but it turns out the officers who spooked me into breaking the law had done it before to other people - I got a letter a couple of weeks later saying that the two officers had been dismissed from service.
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[R6jonny]

[nutter]

I'm only going on what I have been taught at college on a public service course so bare with me.

In 1984 an act was brought in called PACE (police and criminal evidence act) which is basically a coppers bible. One of the main things it was brought in to stop was spot ckecks without good reason

I don't know what part of PACE it is but there is a section which specifies that the officer MUST give a reason for a search. Did they mention anything about drugs or drink?

I don't know what the PG9 is (is it the defective vechile summons, 14 day thingy?) but i do know any officer can declare a vechile un-roadworthy with PROOF (for tires they need so show depth if contested etc), regulars don't normally as they know they are not experts (neither are most traffic TBH, they just think they are) unless it is obvious.

Go down to the police station, with a personally written statement of what happened at the road side, and ask for the police officers record (must be released under freedom of info act). If you still feel agreived, ie the police did not have a ligitamete reason for stopping you, then mention that you feel PACE has been broken. This is why the 2 coppers who followed faddius were dismissed.

Unfortunatly, as PACE is over 70,000 words long, i don't know alot about it as I only spent a 2 hrs on it a few weeks ago, just that it's to protect you as much as the police, that a reason for the search must be specified at the time of the search and the records be made available if requested (also covered by freedon of info act)

Hope this helps
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[R6jonny]

[Robby]

What would be the procedure if they were found to be defective? Would it be a rectification notice, or would it be a fine?

[R6jonny]

[sickpup]

Heard a story a while ago from an MOT tester.

He got pulled on a bike and a prohibition notice was put on the vehicle and in front of the officers he drove off. Officers pulled him again and the usual threat of prosecution was made, officer then told him he had the same powers as an MOT tester. The tester replied something along the lines of...

[b1g5m0k3]

ok, because the car was so old i couldnt justify spending the money to get it repaired, so i got it scrapped the next day.

i know its 3 points for 1 bald tyre. and 6 points for 2 bald tyres, so 2 defective shock absobers would be 6 points aswel? meaning i will loose my liecence.

[Chriss]

Well, since you've got rid of any evidence that the car might have been roadworthy after all, you'll have to bend over and take anything they give.

Or are you saying that the car was knackered after all?
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TheShaggyDA: I've got 3 or 4 pairs that predate my wife, so at least 11.5 years old.

[sickpup]

[b1g5m0k3]

im saying i took the word of the officer, and decided to scrap the car since i couldnt afford the repairs..

[The Shaggy D.A.]

But you can afford to lose your licence? Plus whatever premium you're going to have to pay on insurance when you get it back?

An MOT to check whether the copper had a case will suddenly appear very, very cheap.
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[b1g5m0k3]

lol, i didnt HAVE to take the car for an mot, only if i wished to drive the vehcile again

either way i could still go to court

[Chriss]

If you took the car for an MOT, and it was roadworthy (didn't fail) then the copper was wrong in his judgment, and any case dropped.
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TheShaggyDA: I've got 3 or 4 pairs that predate my wife, so at least 11.5 years old.

[b1g5m0k3]

o well, whats done is done

so am i looking at 3 points or 6. the offence is driving a defective car.

[Chriss]

According to this, 3.
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TheShaggyDA: I've got 3 or 4 pairs that predate my wife, so at least 11.5 years old.

[alliamc]

[b1g5m0k3]

yes the car had an mot but the copper voided it there and then and said i needed to have it re-mot'd. i took his word that the shocks were fvcked and scrapped the car, its as simple as that.

[The Shaggy D.A.]