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Belgarion
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 17 Mar 2009    Post subject: CG215 Poorly :( Reply with quote

Ok, had my 06 model for just about a year now, and it seems very poorly. Bearing in mind I aint no mechanic, what would be the most likely cause for these little issues. They've only really been noticed over the last 2 months, and they do seem to be getting worse as time goes on.

It's done almost 8k miles in 10 months, at least 50 miles a day every day.

Problems...

* Back brake seems to be sticking when pressed (but not always)

* Chain seems to be catching - it is well lubed, but when at very slow speed, I can hear something 'knocking' - I don't think it's the engine.

* Occasionally, when changing down from 4th to 3rd, and I release the throttle (to slow down), when reapplying the throttle, the bike seems to take a good second to re-engage, and the bike lurches - as if the fuel wasn't flowing the moment the throttle is opened again.

* Power is very much up and down.... now I live in Scotland, and the wind obviously makes a difference to my uphill speeds... but in some cases I have to rag the thing in 3rd just to get to 40mph... I'm sure that can't be right lol

Oh, and I think an oil change is probably due.. I'm sure I did the last one at about 5k miles Shocked

One last thing.. I live out in the middle of a forest, and the roads are typical backroad quality.. so it's not particularly clean... I've tried giving it a good rub doen but it doesn't make a big difference to the engine metal and surrounding area. I don't have the luxury of a garage, so the bike it outside 24/7, and the rims are starting to rust a bit. Naturally I've tried cleaning that off, but well, it's seen better days.

Any advice on all the above gratefully received Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 11:51 - 17 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like your brakes need a good strip and clean, there's guides around here somewhere and it's not a difficult job.

Have you checked and adjusted your chain tension at all?

An oil change should be a ten minute job, old oil out, new oil in. I don't think the CG even has a filter, just a mesh screen?
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PostPosted: 11:54 - 17 Mar 2009    Post subject: Re: CG215 Poorly :( Reply with quote

Hi there,

I'm no mechanic either, but I'd say: -
* Rear caliper needs a good clean out
* Chain needs adjusting as per the manual(recommended slack should be on a sticker on chain cover too)
* Oil change and some carb cleaner needed ASAP to sort out the rough running.

Have you done 8k without any maintenance work? If so you're lucky it's a CG Laughing
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Belgarion
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 17 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's had 2 oil changes since 191 miles on the clock, so yeah I know another one is probably a good idea Laughing

Carb cleaner.. ok, whassat and how do I use it? Embarassed (well ok, I know what it 'is', but how easy is it to use?)

The brake cleaning, well I can always have a go and doing it myself.. course, I'll need tools lol.

I did check the chain tension - it seems ok, but if I don't lube it quite regularly, then it tends to seize a little bit. Anything I can do to sort that out?

Thanks for the help guys Smile
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PostPosted: 12:31 - 17 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Belgarion wrote:
It's had 2 oil changes since 191 miles on the clock, so yeah I know another one is probably a good idea Laughing

Carb cleaner.. ok, whassat and how do I use it? Embarassed (well ok, I know what it 'is', but how easy is it to use?)

The brake cleaning, well I can always have a go and doing it myself.. course, I'll need tools lol.

I did check the chain tension - it seems ok, but if I don't lube it quite regularly, then it tends to seize a little bit. Anything I can do to sort that out?

Thanks for the help guys Smile


Seize a bit? ! , centre stand your bike and rotate the rear wheel , put your finger on the chain lifting it up to the swing arm, do this on every 1/4 turn of the rear wheel.

Repeat over , if the chain moves easy then its ok , if you get a bit which requires more effort to move then you have a tight spot or worse a seized link.

You can then take off the chain and soak it in engine oil for a day or two which extends the life slightly.
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Belgarion
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 17 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmm is it usual for a chain to start wearing out after just a year of (admittedly quite hard) riding?

The fact it seems to 'knock' when not lubed after a few days does make me wonder if there is a problem... the CG was trashed before Xmas, and there was a fair number of replacement parts, I think both wheels were. The chain wasnt touched tho - I can't see it being damaged (bike landed other side), but still.. they say once a crash, the bike never feels the same again...

I'll give the chain a thorough once over when I get home from work I think tho.
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 17 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Belgarion wrote:
hmm is it usual for a chain to start wearing out after just a year of (admittedly quite hard) riding?


I wouldn't be surprised, especially if it was a cheap chain. It could also be a source of the lurch when you engage the clutch.

WD40 and Autosol will deal with the rust for you if it is bothering you.

Out of interest are you somewhere near the coast? You seem to have to be doing maintenance a little earlier than I would expect.

Should be lubing your chain when you check your tyre pressures each week.
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Belgarion
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PostPosted: 16:51 - 17 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, not near the coast, but tbh the weather up here this winter has been shockingly bad.. the roads I run are not particularly good, and it is always stored outside.

I lube it maybe twice a week sometimes nowadays, I believe the chain is stock, and as the bike was pretty much unusued when I first bought it, I expected it to be in top nick. So it may well be just the way I ride it Razz

I've not had much opportunity to clean it as the weather has pretty much non-stop been bad in one way or another - it's been pretty nice today tho so I might dedicate Sunday to sprucing it up a little.

I did think that it was starting to just 'feel' old way too early - 8k isn't exactly much in distance terms. But then I probably don't spend nearly enough time keeping it happy...
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PostPosted: 17:14 - 17 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recomend an oil change and giving your air box a once over to make sure it is breathing right

Mine had issues after sucking in some plastic once. I'd also recomend doing a chain and sprocket swap - basic sets for CGs aren't expensive.
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PostPosted: 19:54 - 17 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Belgarion wrote:
* Chain seems to be catching - it is well lubed, but when at very slow speed, I can hear something 'knocking' - I don't think it's the engine.

* Occasionally, when changing down from 4th to 3rd, and I release the throttle (to slow down), when reapplying the throttle, the bike seems to take a good second to re-engage, and the bike lurches - as if the fuel wasn't flowing the moment the throttle is opened again.


mine recently did this, check the chain and sprockets. turns out the sprocket teeth were worn and the chain was stretching and skipping over the worn sprocket (i know its been said before, but double checking never hurt Wink )
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PostPosted: 20:09 - 17 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd guess your front sprocket is on its way out, take the cover off and see if the teeth appear 'hooked' or are pointy (as in feel almost sharp to the touch) remember front sprocket usually last about half the time a rear one does as it spins twice as fast.
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PostPosted: 22:06 - 17 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given a complete change chain and sprocket of is no more than £36 and you can have it sent straight to your door you might as well chop the lot.
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PostPosted: 09:57 - 18 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oki, well I will check the chain and sprocket on Sunday (weather permitting Laughing ) and hopefully I can even put it all together again too!

Thanks for the help guys, most appreciated.
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