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mistergixer
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 18 Mar 2009    Post subject: Patent pending...... Reply with quote

I've come up with a cracking idea/invention, built it, tested it and it works.

My next step, i guess, is to apply for a patent for it.

Anyone on here have any experience of patenting an idea/invention?

(obviously don't want to discuss the actual nature of the invention, suffice to say it is fishing related)
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PostPosted: 21:19 - 18 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing I was told is that you have to hire an expensive patent lawyer and that it takes years to complete.

So it best be good to make it worth the cash.
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 18 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trawl trawl and trawl to see if your idea has been done before , I always think of things and build prototypes which work , but invariably have been done before. And jot them down in a little note book of mine.



Something Owldamner said years ago:

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Dont forget that once you have filed your patent, someone else can look at it, alter it & improve it and file their own patent for an improved version of your invention. To cover yourself you need to look at your invention from every different angle, and file patents on those too, otherwise someone else will just sneak in & take your idea. Whoever has the most backing tends to win.

I was watching a proggy on Ch4 a few months ago, It was about some guy who had invented a sticky mat that you put in your car to stop your phone sliding about everywhere.

Looks pretty simple really, but the guys parents had remortgaged their house to help him with the development costs. I think they had put in somewhere in the region of £100k. The mats are about a fiver I think, and they had managed to sell about 5000. Doesn't take a genius to realise that those figures dont add up to an early retirement. Dunno how much he's made so far. but gives you an idea of the costs.


Hence its why I am incredibly sceptical of patents,


After studying business analysis techniques I have this to add.

What you want to be looking at though is a Niche market, ie a market big enough to make YOU some money but too small for the big boys to take an interest in and thus will leave you alone so that you have time to get established, and have the resources to fight when a big corporate comes and says I want a piece of that.

If Hoover had stolen Dyson's idea of the bagless vacuum cleaner faster than they did Dyson would not have had the money to fight the court case and win.
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PostPosted: 21:44 - 18 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moonie wrote:
One thing I was told is that you have to hire an expensive patent lawyer and that it takes years to complete.

So it best be good to make it worth the cash.


you dont have to.
yes you can an it makes it easier but you dont HAVE to. I worked at a london top 5 patent & trademark attorneys for 6 years when i left school so i have a vague knowledge. One patent in one country doesnt cover you in other countries so you have to really think about how far your idea will go and if its a brilliant idea you are going to have to be really careful.

If you want to go the DIY route your first port of call should be the patent office, sorry the 'uk intellectual property office'. They have patent info packs that guide you through the process. theres one in bouverie streen in london or one in newport, wales. best bet is probably the website to start with.
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PostPosted: 22:05 - 18 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a patent that is current pat pending, so have been through the application process.

https://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/patent.htm

That website tells you everything you need to know. You need to pay a variety of fees and have a very good grasp of report writing and English in order to create the documentation.

https://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/patent/p-formsfees.htm

Fee structure is there. You need to pay £30 for the application and £130 for the search. Once that's completed they send you their search results which tell you if there are any other similar patents. It's up to you if you wish to proceed. If you do, there's an extra £70 to pay, then it gets examined and published and all sorts. Then a couple of years later the patent is granted.

You can accelerate the process if you have £££.
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PostPosted: 22:09 - 18 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember in a lecture about drug patents, an example was given about how you need to trawl to see if the idea has already been done.

The idea was for a door switch for a dog to press which would open a flap and let the dog in. Ignoring the potential for burglars, the idea was rejected based on a comic strip from the 1970's in the beano, in which Walter the softy has the same device for his dog foo foo.

How the hell they found something so obscure is beyond me, but shows the lengths you need to go to in order to ensure it hasn't been done before.

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PostPosted: 22:54 - 18 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, you don't actually have to do a search yourself. You have to pay them £100 and they do the search for you, it's a compulsory step.

However, you can obviously save yourself some wonga if you have at least a quick search yourself first.
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 20 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first thing to do is have a search to look for anything similar, pay particular attention to the idea rather than the intended use. A lot of applications fail because someone has covered the idea for use in a completely different field. The best place I've found to start searching is here.

If you are confident that a patent could be granted, and you want to go down this route, then personally I'd look for a patent agent who is interested in working with you. By this I mean that they will work on your behalf for a stake in the venture. Normally the best way to start looking for these people is to find someone with loads of experience (read: old and wealthy) who have already 'been there and done that'. Often these will have worked with academic departments, and of course individuals.

If you have massive aspirations for your idea then obviously you would be best placed to exploit the idea if you paid for the patent work up front. This can, however, prove very costly.
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