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[Scouse]

Why is it that Muslims are so special over any other race within this "great" country of ours?

Why can't we say/do whatever we like or even keep with our own traditions without it being offensive to them? why are we are becoming forced to play along to their rules and change our ways to fit in with theirs??? What do they offer us in return for them using our faces to wipe their backsides?

I could have quite a verbal rush session but I'm trying to keep it to a sensible topical debate of the day rather than a full on verbal attack on them.

[Steve H]

So, let me get this right...

Some random Muslim used your face to wipe his/her backside?
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[Skudd]

It starts with this country being tolerant of others ( there are a few who aren't but they are the few) Then we adopt some of the others ways ( eating habits, dress, positive aspects of their culture etc) Then the PC Brigade latch on to it and corrupt any form of integration. Then the distrust creeps in, then the hatred.

What annoys me is that you will get a white christian pulling up another white christian for not being PC enough, but you never seem to get a asian/black muslim/or other pulling the same for not being PC enough.

The "English" have absorbed so many different cultures that to be " English" you have to be a mongrel.

When we talk about Muslims and Islam you have to remember that it is a religion that is 500 years behind " our" christianity and it is only the fact that the world is so small that all the the things that " our" christianity was doing 500 years ago can be seen done today on a global scale with Islam.
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[Shaun]

It's because we don't want to accidentally piss off a fundamentalist.

[nowhere.elysium]

Xenophobia occurs in waves in this country. The UK has been an immigration hub for centuries, because we've always enjoyed trade and imported skills a great deal. I'm not sure that I'd bother getting to worked up about it: it seems that it's the people that don't have to actually work side by side with people from wherever that are forcing PC on us all.

I work in East London, and I'm ok with working with people from largely any nationality. What I've noticed, though, is that people are people, regardless of where they're from. Banter is an acceptable thing in pretty much every culture out there, so once you've gotten to know someone, watched their habits and so forth, you can take the piss, and they'll usually take the piss straight back.

I get deeply fucked off when I'm told that I can't say things to my colleagues because it might cause offence. The point that's so often missed is that it doesn't offend my colleague, because he/she knows me, and has worked with me, so we understand each other's humour. It might well offend some pencil-pusher in local government, but they never get let out of their box, so who the hell are they to tell me what I can say to people? Many of them would be hard pressed to identify a person first hand, anyway.

As for the buildup of resentment; yeah, this'll happen. It's caused by pockets of isolationism in both directions: people who arrive in a country and don't want to integrate, people who don't see the benefits of having external expertise coming into a country whining about losing a job they weren't all that great at anyway.

I wtinessed much of the secondary white flight, (linky), and a lot of it is to do with the fact that these parts of London (especially Newham and Tower Hamlets) were always complete shitpiles (I'm native to Newham, so I can say whatsoever the fuck I like bout it, so ner), more than the presence of people of other races.
The racial motivation happened largely after the white flight: people would look back on their previous homes, and go 'God, what a shithole they've made it into!'. The ones that were significantly racist beforehand were often the ones that couldn't afford to move out, ironically enough. The culture of blaming others continued, and so on and so forth.


Regardless of all this ranting, I still hate PC. Let people treat each other as people, as opposed to delicate flowers, and we might just all end up getting on with life, as opposed to farting about going 'oh, I haven't offended you, have I?', as many ministers/authoritarians/twats would like us to.
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[Scouse]

What about things such as -


https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2008/07/02/tayside-police-apologise-after-muslims-complain-over-unclean-puppy-in-advert-86908-20628132/


https://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/children/article3241394.ece

Wasn't there a thing not long ago that a wedding on one of the soaps could not show 'the cross' in a church for fear of offending them?

These are all small petty things but they're just the first ones that spring to mind?

[Scouse]

[Dragonfly]

I am very interested in ho this all works in the mainland UK as we dont really have muslims over here or anyone complaining like that. We just go for each other or ocassionally the polish. I havant see a black person or muslim where I live, ever. And we are not racist here. They all stick where you are. And the way it sounds thankfully we dont we have enough going on here.
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[JonB]

You're lucky you don't have Muslims, cause you have been all pissy for about 200 years over two different styles of Christianity, you'd have no hope introducing an alien religion.
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[Dragonfly]

Sorry I am just wondering why there is a gay dating service add at the bottom of this thread.

Yeah Jon they just let us carry on squabbling over a difference like is the virgin mary a virgin while you all where nice and happy and they came along.

I better watch what I say or some muslims will be burning effigies of me.
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[mistergixer]

I think you're starting off on the wrong foot - 'Muslims' are followers of the religion of Islam, they are not a 'racial' group, there are followers of Islam in every 'racial' group you can care to mention - white, black, brown, yellow and every shade in between.
Muslims are no more a 'race' than Christians or Buddhists are.

Taking the example posted of the police dog leaflets giving offence to some devout followers: dogs in Islam are considered extremely unclean (which, frankly, they are - mine loves to eat other dog's shit).
Imagine you received a leaflet from a public body which contained an image you found extremely obscene and/or offensive (say, for example a big pile of shit, or an erect spurting cock) would you complain?
If, instead of a dog, they had used the image of a pig then it may well have caused offence amongst the Jewish and/or Muslim community as well - however, the chances of the police putting an image of a pig on their leaflets is highly unlikely to happen.


The coppers have a 'diversity officer' who they failed to consult on this matter. Had they done their job properly in the first place, the whole incident could have been avoided.
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[MaybeGuy]

i think muslims are utter twattish cunts. they should fuck off lots and be burned a little.

same with all immigrants, they should fuck right off.

the amount of times ive seen fights kicking off in town, and who's at the bottom of it? oh, the turks or pakkis.

theives... all of them. at least learn to speak english. you dont see us going to pakistan, turkey or muslimland and taking whatever we can get our hands on, then demanding to live there with better lifestyle than anyone else.

when im prime minister im going to start an immigrant witch hunt.
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[ThoughtContro...]

Some muslims, particularly fundamentalists are the problem. They are used as a useful political tool by those that wish to use division to destroy this country in the interests of their own "one world" fascist/communist (same thing, different iconography) agenda.

The muslims I know don't like the "Taliban" types either.

All religious and political dogmatism is the problem, not just the muslim religion. As soon as tolerance for someone else and their beliefs disappears (and that cuts BOTH ways) society starts to disintegrate, and that's exactly what some people want.

[Ariel Badger]

Why does the OP not discuss this with any of his Muslim friends rather than trying to stir up religious hatred on a bike forum?
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[Irezumi aka Reuben]

Islam as a religion has tried to conquer pretty much everything it can since it's inception through violence and opression.

So has Christianity, except through violence and then opression...oh wait.

Religion is generally just another word for power. Religion prey's on peoples insecurities to get them to do outrageous acts (such as praying ).

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[Shaun]

Hmmmmm

Ok in seriousness, ness. The whole thread is flawed, I could go and google a few threads about any religion getting offended and then ask why they think they're so special.

As said above, the police failed to consult the appropriate departments before sending out fliers which were obviously going to cause offence to the muslims, the people who were also their target audience.

If anyone can be arsed, go onto iplayer and watch stewart lee tlking about political correctness gone mad, he makes some very valid and amusing points.

[Didge]

[steppen22]

I think you lot are being unfair.

It's not Muslims.

The number of Muslims causing trouble is relatively low.

Those who are medddling in the British way of life are white, middle class liberals, who pretend to "represent" minorities for their own sense of power.

I'm thinking of the army of "equality officers" and "diversity chiefs" and all the rest of them. These ppl are invariably on 35,000 salaries so have to find incidents of "discrinination" to justify their jobs. And becuase most Brits are are a fair bunch and don't give a shit, the "equality chiefs" have to find really ridiculous "evidence" of discrimination.

Most Muslims are harmless idiots.
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