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kingsknight
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PostPosted: 10:59 - 12 Apr 2009    Post subject: Off road with road tyers = slippy slippy Reply with quote

Went offroad with my XR last night and dam the tyers are shit! come on guys i want some cheapish on-road/off-road tyers for my XR.

my sizes are 90/90 -19 and 110/90-17
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 12 Apr 2009    Post subject: Re: Off road with road tyers = slippy slippy Reply with quote

I took my zx9 down a green-lane on Friday, so no excuses for you Razz.
Erm, cheap trail tyres, go to your local tyre place and ask for the cheapest trail tyres.

If you're not too bothered, you can probably get some tyre that have got masses more grip than yours, but less than a new one for not much more than free.
Your wheel sizes aren't ideal - it's disappointing they've not gone for 'proper' dirt bike sizes. So, err, front tyres from 85cc 'big wheel' bikes should be fine. The seventeen inch rear will be more of an issue, but I suspect there may be a few on ebay or similar.
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 12 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

What tyres are on there now?

Seems Maxxis https://www.maxxis.co.uk/ are about the best 'cheap' tyres for offroad from what I have heard ... also look at veerubber https://www.veerubber.co.th/home/index.asp got some of those n my trails bike and they are pretty good, arguably better than the michelins (the long standing leader in trails) in the mud, just not as hard a wearing in the dry.
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 12 Apr 2009    Post subject: Re: Off road with road tyers = slippy slippy Reply with quote

kingsknight wrote:
Went offroad with my XR last night and dam the tyers are shit! come on guys i want some cheapish on-road/off-road tyers for my XR.

my sizes are 90/90 -19 and 110/90-17


It makes a world of difference if you let the air out of your tyres.

For off-road, try running on 5-10 psi, instead of the 30psi you might use on the road.

Don't believe me ? Try it.
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 12 Apr 2009    Post subject: Re: Off road with road tyers = slippy slippy Reply with quote

It does make a decent difference, however two things:
A) It will still be seriously slidy. I've ridden the 690 with road biased tyres. With both tyres road-biased it would get all over the place in mud, which was the major issue. With just the rear tyre and an enduro front, it would still get all over the place, but importantly the front would still go where you pointed it until you ran out of steering lock.

B) Those sorts of pressures need rimlocks and tyres with a fairly stiff tyre wall. Try 12psi with a rimlock or maybe around 17psi without.
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kingsknight
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PostPosted: 16:22 - 12 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iv got some road pirelli's on there at the moment. iv been looking at getting some pirelli MT60's on there but would cost me £130 fitted!

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Don't believe me ? Try it.


i did and it was slippy slippy all over the track lol! nearly sacked it a few times!

Im kinda fearless when it comes to off roading iv found lol
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PostPosted: 16:25 - 12 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

kingsknight wrote:
Iv got some road pirelli's on there at the moment. iv been looking at getting some pirelli MT60's on there but would cost me £130 fitted!


Not sure they will give you much on mud ... I thought you were after some road legal 'knoblies'? ... have you literally been using road-tread tyres? No wonder you were all over the shot!! Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:34 - 12 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah i know haha was a little silly!

i want some semi-off roaders! dont want big big knoblies just ones that i can go off road now and again but wont slide all over the road when it rains.

the shoes i got on her atm are really good in the wet!
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PostPosted: 16:41 - 12 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Id suggest getting something more road biased for the front, but a full on knobblie for the back.

Its the front that you will lose in the wet on roads if your tyres are too knobbly, but even with a really offroad biased tyre on the back, you are unlikely to lose grip on the road.

Offroad, its more important to have a knobbly on the back than the front, so something really knobbly on the back and more road biased on the front, is a good combination in my opinion.
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PostPosted: 16:46 - 12 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
Id suggest getting something more road biased for the front, but a full on knobblie for the back.

Its the front that you will lose in the wet on roads if your tyres are too knobbly, but even with a really offroad biased tyre on the back, you are unlikely to lose grip on the road.

Offroad, its more important to have a knobbly on the back than the front, so something really knobbly on the back and more road biased on the front, is a good combination in my opinion.


Surely a full knobblie (road legal) is the BEST/better tyre in the wet not the worst?!!? Confused
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PostPosted: 18:01 - 12 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue_SV650S wrote:
colin1 wrote:
Id suggest getting something more road biased for the front, but a full on knobblie for the back.

Its the front that you will lose in the wet on roads if your tyres are too knobbly, but even with a really offroad biased tyre on the back, you are unlikely to lose grip on the road.

Offroad, its more important to have a knobbly on the back than the front, so something really knobbly on the back and more road biased on the front, is a good combination in my opinion.


Surely a full knobblie (road legal) is the BEST/better tyre in the wet not the worst?!!? Confused


not on the road its not, as there isnt much rubber in contact with the road, so its very easy to lose traction

the best tyre in the wet on the road would probably a race scrub wet tyre, they have a lot of space for water, but they also have a lot of rubber touching the road

knobblies dont have much rubber touching the road so its very easy for the tyre to break traction and slip
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 12 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best bet is to get a spare set of wheels for knobbily fun.
Failing that, look for tyres people use for 'adventure touring', though not sure about your sizes. AC10 is a popular choice.
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 13 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pirelli MT21.
https://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b165/yen_powell/BLUNTS2.jpg
https://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b165/yen_powell/DRinmud.jpg
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PostPosted: 15:23 - 13 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which XR is this for? The sizes you mentioned look like the xr125 size?
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PostPosted: 15:25 - 13 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is the 125 he's got.
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PostPosted: 22:39 - 13 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michelin Sirac aren't that dear are they?
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