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Mudskipper
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PostPosted: 12:11 - 15 Apr 2009    Post subject: Hillsborough Reply with quote

20 years on and still no justice for the 96, their families and the survivors of that horrific day.

I was just a little Reds fan then, and didn't properly understand what had happened until a few years later.

It horrifies and upsets me every time I read the accounts and see the photos. Sad

RIP the 96

https://www.liverpoolfc.nu/images/newsUpload/2008/HillsboroughMemorial1.jpg

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/04/14/they-ve-said-it-was-a-surge-but-it-wasn-t-it-was-a-slow-build-up-of-pressure-like-a-vice-tighter-tighter-until-you-could-not-breathe-115875-21277364/
https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7999279.stm
https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7998713.stm
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 15 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting to see The Sun's take on today.
A bit different from when it happened.
Apparently the paper's still boycotted by many in Liverpool.

https://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00781/hills-splash_781755a.jpg

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Just found the original report...
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/67/Hillsborough_disaster_Sun.jpg/225px-Hillsborough_disaster_Sun.jpg
click on image for details

Very sad to see the number of teenagers and it's easy to forget the number who were injured and those who still carry the memory of what happened.
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 15 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:
Interesting to see The Sun's take on today.
A bit different from when it happened.
Apparently the paper's still boycotted by many in Liverpool.

https://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00781/hills-splash_781755a.jpg


The SCUM should never be forgiven for their disgusting lies. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 12:28 - 15 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

i wasn't born when it happened but as a scouser and a reds fan the 96 are still in my thoughts.
Shame it took a disaster to happen before the stadiums were improved
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 15 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have some questions about Hillsborough that can wait for another time.
But what really brought it home, and me to tears, was when I had a pupil whose Dad had died at Hillsborough ( I knew people who had been there and given first aid on the pitch to those who died or were dieing and had seen things that could only be done by the lowest of the low) The lad talked about his Dad and what he remembered of him while he was taking lessons with me. It was at the time of his test that it really got me, when the lad went in and said he was doing it for his Dad and to make him proud. The lad past first time and dedicated it to his Dad. The lad cried all the way home because it was something that he couldn't really share with the one person he wanted to.
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PostPosted: 14:08 - 15 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mudskipper wrote:
map wrote:
Interesting to see The Sun's take on today.
A bit different from when it happened.
Apparently the paper's still boycotted by many in Liverpool.

https://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00781/hills-splash_781755a.jpg


The SCUM should never be forgiven for their disgusting lies. Evil or Very Mad


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PostPosted: 14:13 - 15 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just read the Mirror report, and now sitting in the office fighting back the tears. Embarassed Sad

Rest in peace.
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 15 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Memorial Service on Sky Sports News now btw Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 16:12 - 15 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

My 3 uncles and my little cousin were at that match, they were lucky that day, they should have been in the area of the tragedy but had to move for some reason or other. They returned home that day, traumatised, but alive.

As for the Sun, it was never bought again by any of my family and I won't even glance at it.

To the 96 victims, RIP and to the families, take comfort in knowing they will never be forgotten.
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 15 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't believe it was 20 years ago...I remember it all so clearly...it was all over the news and everywhere, especially oop north, I lost friends in the crowd and everything, it was a horrible time. Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 20:29 - 15 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've only been a reds fan for 15 years, but i still remember it and still would never buy the sun....what they printed was absolutely disgusting and they're a disgrace and their appology will never be accepted.

As for the people who caused it well they'll never get the blood of they're hands Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 23:09 - 15 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im still not comfortable with the idea of there not being any justice. I dont think you can blame any one person for such a tragic incident.

The other thing that i'm not comfortable with is that no-one seems to remember the Ibrox Disaster of '71 nor the Burden Park disaster of '46, I mean they didnt even stop the game in 1946 when 33 died.
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PostPosted: 00:00 - 16 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevoriv wrote:
Im still not comfortable with the idea of there not being any justice. I dont think you can blame any one person for such a tragic incident.

The other thing that i'm not comfortable with is that no-one seems to remember the Ibrox Disaster of '71 nor the Burden Park disaster of '46, I mean they didnt even stop the game in 1946 when 33 died.


I was saying to my Gf tonight about how the Ibrox is forgotten, 66 poeple died there but you never hear about it. I must confess i've never heard of burden park, but then i'm not a footie fan.
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PostPosted: 00:06 - 16 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone else notice the time on the clock face in the sun article there?!!? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 00:20 - 16 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

3,06

the time when the game stopped?
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PostPosted: 00:21 - 16 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone else noticed that when policemen fuck up, they are even less likely than politicians to admit it ?

However, at least with the policemen in this case, it was a genuine mistake.

The lies printed in the Sun by Kelvin Mckenzie afterwards were unbelievably offensive nonsense.
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PostPosted: 00:41 - 16 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevoriv wrote:
...The other thing that i'm not comfortable with is that no-one seems to remember the Ibrox Disaster of '71 nor the Burden Park disaster of '46, I mean they didnt even stop the game in 1946 when 33 died.

Or even the Bradford City Fire in 1985 where 56 died.
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PostPosted: 02:18 - 16 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevoriv wrote:
Im still not comfortable with the idea of there not being any justice. I dont think you can blame any one person for such a tragic incident.

The other thing that i'm not comfortable with is that no-one seems to remember the Ibrox Disaster of '71 nor the Burden Park disaster of '46, I mean they didnt even stop the game in 1946 when 33 died.


Their should be a proper memorial for the Burnden Disaster, i mean their is a small plaque located in ASDA at Burden but thats not good enough.

For those who don't know about Burnden Park and the disaster

https://www.crowddynamics.com/Disasters/british_football_disasters.htm

But back to the Original topic, RIP to all who perished at Hillsbrough, was quite a touching Service.
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PostPosted: 08:15 - 16 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I pass the memorial outside the Hillsborough ground on the way into work - was going to stop on the way bak yesterday to pay my respects but it was surrounded by TV vans and the like. RIP 96 dudes and dudettes.
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 16 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having been a footie supporter and been to far to many games in my life. I feel sad for the 96 families.
But 20 years on its time not to forget, but to let the whole thing drop.

Justice will never be done, as many a true supporter will know the real guilty are the unticketed that turned up, then when the gates were opened to ease the crush outside (where there was risk of life) surged in and caused the crush.

Many know this happened on a regular basis, and was by far the best way to get into a big match when you could not get a ticket.

Sadly the real truth would hurt too much, that it was the fans ( very loose description ) that were the real guilty parties.

In a way the real villains, are the hooligans that caused the fences to be put up inside grounds, thus stopping people from escaping from the crush.

Its amazing that something like this never happened before.
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PostPosted: 12:23 - 16 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kinda difficult to get all weepy about it after Heysel..

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Approximately an hour before the scheduled kick-off time a group of supporters of English Liverpool F.C. breached a fence separating them from rival supporters of Juventus F.C. and charged at and attacked the Italian supporters. Juventus fans were forced to retreat, putting pressure on a dilapidated retaining wall, which collapsed away from them. The crush of fans against the wall and its collapse led to 39 dead (and injury of some 600 more).


That one doesn't make the headlines any more though...
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PostPosted: 14:13 - 16 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

bazza wrote:
Kinda difficult to get all weepy about it after Heysel..

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Approximately an hour before the scheduled kick-off time a group of supporters of English Liverpool F.C. breached a fence separating them from rival supporters of Juventus F.C. and charged at and attacked the Italian supporters. Juventus fans were forced to retreat, putting pressure on a dilapidated retaining wall, which collapsed away from them. The crush of fans against the wall and its collapse led to 39 dead (and injury of some 600 more).


That one doesn't make the headlines any more though...


Thing is bazza, I sincerely doubt that either 15 year old Victoria Hicks, her sister Sarah or 10 year old Jon-Paul Gilhooley were part of that mob of hooligans at Heysel.

That's why I get 'teary', because a year before Hillsborough I remember being perched on a beam in the Kop, a very petite 9 year old, and I remember feeling the 'normal' sways and surges of the crowd, and how frightening they could be.

To think of what those people went through a year later chills me to the bone, and comments regarding Heysel, Munich, Ibrox, Bradford etc in a discussion of Hillsborough should be in context, not a case of:

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'well we had a horrible disaster too, so why should we care about yours?'


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'well you lot (meaning LFC fans) chant 'Munich' at Man U games, so you deserve no sympathy'


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'well you lot ( Rolling Eyes ) killed all those Juve fans at Heysel, and kept British clubs out of Europe so you deserved Hillsborough'


All innocent victims of disasters deserve sympathy.

All violent thugs and murderers taking part in hooliganism deserve to be dealt with severely.
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PostPosted: 17:14 - 16 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taken on the way home from work at the memorial outside Hillsborough stadium:

https://1.2.3.11/bmi/media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/0784/b44eb1104bfd4fa1930b8e6d75db61e8.jpg

https://1.2.3.9/bmi/media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/0784/58eec3279c8f4af0915bab8dd8d204a8.jpg

https://1.2.3.11/bmi/media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/0784/01adb0f73aa241a581ef2f9a0e03af83.jpg
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 16 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mudskipper wrote:
Thing is bazza, I sincerely doubt that either 15 year old Victoria Hicks, her sister Sarah or 10 year old Jon-Paul Gilhooley were part of that mob of hooligans at Heysel.


No, they wern't but you gives you a very good insight to the very people who caused the sad loss of live's on both days....

They walked away scot free, the tragic innocents did not.

This is why the families should drop the whole we want justice, as the very people who were the cause are proberly the same people who turn up each year to morn Karma their actions.
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 16 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

And hooligans still exist today, but matches are safer for everyone.

It was the usual government response of punish the law abiding majority because of the actions of a few. Caging human beings in like animals, herding and packing them into derelict pens, did not solve the problem of hooliganism.
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