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T0MMY
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PostPosted: 11:55 - 19 Apr 2009    Post subject: Recommend me a slower bike Reply with quote

I've currently got a CBR600 and I'm finding I'm riding it everywhere at 100mph as it's too competent to be fun at lower speeds. I really can't afford to lose my licence as I would lose my job too and I really miss my old Bros 400 as it was fun at legal speeds, in fact, if I'm honest it was more fun in general. Also I now have a 50 mile daily commute which is a bit pricey on a sports bike as the consumble parts are so expensive.

Basically I want something that is fun at sensible speeds, cheaper to run, relatively sporty (I prefer clip ons etc.) and ideally with a fairing. This has led me to considering an SV650 Embarassed 10 years after getting my licence I'm finally buying the ideal first bike Laughing Anyone got any other suggestions? I quite like the look of SVs and I think I can stand the derision from other bikes who will claim they're shit because they're popular, after all it's the same with the CBR6 Laughing I'm not keen on the usual GS,CB, ER 500 idea but my budget is only £1500 which precludes the more modern stuff. I did consider a supermoto but it needs to be more comfy really.
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PostPosted: 11:58 - 19 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Theres nowt wrong with an SV



















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PostPosted: 12:07 - 19 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now you see, THAT'S what I'm talking about Laughing

If I bought a CB500 no one would bat an eyelid, despite the fact it's even slower and arguably doesn't handle as well. I reckon the SV has about the right amount of power to be fun, my dick is plenty big enough that I don't feel I need a bike that does 90 mph in first gear and I don't find acceleration and speed exhilarating anymore, I just like going round corners.
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 19 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not want another baby blade?

Why not go to a dealer and test ride some bikes, you seem set on the sporty look.

or you could try a speed four? Clip-ons, looks ugly yet lovely... I wouldn't mind one.
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PostPosted: 12:16 - 19 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll be bored silly after a month.
Build quality not that good on SVs either.

You're right to be looking at V twins though because you get more fun at low revs. It's more about spot on cornering and gear changes, and satisfying noises from the motor.
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PostPosted: 12:19 - 19 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hornet.
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PostPosted: 12:38 - 19 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hornet might be good middle ground, but wont have a fairing as such or a sporty position. Its fun to hoon at sensible speeds though and the lack of wind protection makes triple figures quite annoying Thumbs Up

If you go from something as well engineered as a CBR6 to an SV650 you will be making a terrible mistake and you will regret it. Not even just because of the speed either, the CBR is a far better bike in every department. Trust me, I made the same mistake Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 13:32 - 19 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZXR 400?

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PostPosted: 14:00 - 19 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bros 650, very fun bike, sound the tits with a decent zost and handle pretty damn well.

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PostPosted: 14:11 - 19 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can handle the vibes a big single , the Yamaha SZR660 looks like a sporty bike and has decent suspension , but its breathless above 90mph , but its great low and mid range but nowt at the top.
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PostPosted: 14:27 - 19 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was thinking about another CBR400RR and I was looking for one when I bought the 600. Just decided they're overpriced now for what they are, It was cheaper to get the 600. Same for ZXR400 really.

Considered a Hornet too, lack of fairing is a downside though and I hate bikini fairings and flyscreens and stuff. Same with a Bros 650, though I REALLY liked my 400.

SZR660...never considered that, good thought but I'm not sure 40 odd bhp is enough for cruising up the motorway to work and especially not the 300 odd miles I ride back up to sunny scotland every couple of months.

Villers...you are the man to speak to as you've done this change Very Happy What was so bad about the SV over the CBR? I've heard they handle quite well, did you not find that? I suppose I need to try to blag a test ride on one Thinking
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PostPosted: 14:56 - 19 Apr 2009    Post subject: Re: Recommend me a slower bike Reply with quote

T0MMY wrote:
I've currently got a CBR600 and I'm finding I'm riding it everywhere at 100mph as it's too competent to be fun at lower speeds. I really can't afford to lose my licence as I would lose my job too and I really miss my old Bros 400 as it was fun at legal speeds, in fact, if I'm honest it was more fun in general. Also I now have a 50 mile daily commute which is a bit pricey on a sports bike as the consumble parts are so expensive.

Basically I want something that is fun at sensible speeds, cheaper to run, relatively sporty (I prefer clip ons etc.) and ideally with a fairing. This has led me to considering an SV650 Embarassed 10 years after getting my licence I'm finally buying the ideal first bike Laughing Anyone got any other suggestions? I quite like the look of SVs and I think I can stand the derision from other bikes who will claim they're shit because they're popular, after all it's the same with the CBR6 Laughing I'm not keen on the usual GS,CB, ER 500 idea but my budget is only £1500 which precludes the more modern stuff. I did consider a supermoto but it needs to be more comfy really.



Just get a naked bike that'll keep you below the speed limit.I have a 150mph bike but only ride 70-90 with the odd blast but it really comes down to self control.
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PostPosted: 15:37 - 19 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 15:48 - 19 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the same bike and problem as you, I came close to swopping for an 01 ER5, i used to have 97 ER5. I ride my CBR sensibly most of the then every so often I think I am ghost rider with 1/1000 of the skill .

I am feeling a kawisaki versys if i spend money or a 250 superdream if I don't.
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PostPosted: 16:02 - 19 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd suggest just taking the fairings off the cbr600, and riding it naked.

Wind blast makes things feel faster, and makes you less likely to ride fast all the time.

You'll need to be creative about attaching the front indicators, and it will look a bit untidy, but it works well.
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PostPosted: 17:39 - 19 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm fairly bored of my cbr f too, I find its too stable also bland. Easy just go balls out. I'm booking a test ride on a z1000 as I think something completely different could be fun.
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PostPosted: 18:30 - 19 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

T0MMY wrote:

Villers...you are the man to speak to as you've done this change Very Happy What was so bad about the SV over the CBR? I've heard they handle quite well, did you not find that? I suppose I need to try to blag a test ride on one Thinking


Test ride wont tell you much unless you are on some good roads. You will most likely find the SV to be capable up to 80mph, after that it turns into some kind of jelly and handles likes its made of lard. I found myself attacking corners and fearing for my life when the cheap and poorly sprung suspension couldnt cope and bounced and bucked like you had asked it to do something difficult. On top of that they are slow as hell, badly built and fast cars will eat you alive at anything approaching 3 figure speeds onwards. Then there is the deserved reputation that they have and how people react to you when you're on one. They either think your a learner or a complete fanny who knows no better.

My advice would be to go for something sportier that can handle and wont turn to dust or lose all its value overnight Thumbs Up I bought one brand new, and yes I am very bitter Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 19 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Villers wrote:
My advice would be to go for something sportier that can handle and wont turn to dust or lose all its value overnight Thumbs Up I bought one brand new, and yes I am very bitter Thumbs Down


So really, he should buy a CBR600f.

Oh wait....
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 19 Apr 2009    Post subject: Re: Recommend me a slower bike Reply with quote

T0MMY wrote:
I can stand the derision from other bikes who will claim they're shit because they're popular,

What about those that claim that because they are? Wink
I'm not sure you'll get much better fuel economy on the SV if you ride it at the same speeds as the CBR.
I would often easily hit 120+ on the SV while commuting on the motorway.

Were I you, I think I'd consider de-fairing your CBR, maybe wide bars too.
Could sell all the fairing bits, then put the money towards getting an RS250 for weekend fun times Smile.

I find a rarely hit really silly speeds on my tuned zx9 with no fairings. Once you get to 100+ you really start to notice the wind!
Another tip would be Oxford bar muffs. As standard, they push against your brake and clutch levers above 65mph or so! I've made a bash-guard style bit to hold the right hand one so it doesn't, but the left still seems to sometimes get the clutch lever, despite being attached to the bar-end, only above 70-80, though.
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PostPosted: 19:58 - 19 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

T0MMY wrote:

Villers...you are the man to speak to as you've done this change Very Happy What was so bad about the SV over the CBR? I've heard they handle quite well, did you not find that? I suppose I need to try to blag a test ride on one Thinking


As you say, you need a test ride.

Basically, the sv is a commuter bike that can also be used at the weekend in the way someone would use a sportsbike.

It means someone can buy a new bike for a lot cheaper than a sportsbike, because savings have been made on things like suspension and brakes.

Unfortunately this means that suspension and brakes are not as good as a sportsbike.

If you need to have a new bike and are short of cash, they are great, however older bikes which arent yet knackered can be had which are a lot better.

This is because a lot of people buy fancy sportsbikes and never use them, which means you can get an old lowish mileage bike for the same price of a similar age sv650. So thats when sv650's no longer make so much sense.
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PostPosted: 20:09 - 19 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I'm in a similar boat.

I took both bikes out today - RR mainly, a tank full and a bit. Took a little while to re-adjust going from something with 10bhp to something with 110. But after I disconnected my sanity and plugged my brain into the bike's CDi, it all became clear. I ended up riding like a twat, going way too fast pretty much everywhere and fooling around with like minded riders I found along the way.

It was good to thrash away the cobwebs from traveling at 50mph for the last couple of thousand miles, but I'm still questioning whether or not I actually found it fun. For the most part, I was unsatisfied with any work under a ton.

Time to move on as well, and that means something slower, crapper, with boing-gy suspension. After the recent debate on 400s vs SVs, I might be in the market for something just as crap as one of those Suzukis. Hmmm...might also consider a CB500, Superfour, Monster, TRX or maybe an MT03. Or an FMX.....but I'm not sure whether one would leave my XR.
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 19 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

All the comments about crap brakes and suspension is sort of the point in a way, especially the fact that it starts to feel dangerous at 80. The problem with the CBR is it doesn't feel dangerous until much faster. Really this has come about through 2 things:-

1. Coming round a corner at ***mph today with the bike banked right over and seeing a white taxi coming the other way that looked for a split second like a police car. I shit myself and thought is this really worth it? My job relies on me having a driving licence as I do site work and I have previously lost my licence when I was 19 Embarassed

2. Hooning around on it and just somehow being slightly bored the whole time, I seem to enjoy ragging my car more at the moment and I don't know why Shocked

I really should just turn the CBR into a track tool but I can't afford to do track days at the moment Rolling Eyes


EDIT: Actually, what about the TRX850? Don't really know anything about them but they seem a bit more characterful than the CBR6?
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PostPosted: 21:20 - 19 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Depends on what you want really. You could easily buy a bike that is supposedly slower but which encourages you do ride it harder (eg, maybe something like an Aprilia RS250) which might not be a good idea. Opposite end of the scale something like a Ducati 900SS would be slower than the CBR, but on a fast A road would cruise rather faster with far less effort.

SV might be a decent choice.

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PostPosted: 21:25 - 19 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ride a naked sv, and yeah I agree at top speeds it can feel a bit wobbly, but changing the fork springs, and adjusting the suspension makes a big difference. Plus I reckon they are best ridden by a 'not so lardy person' they are built for the tiny Japanese market afterall.

If you are happy to pootle along at no more than 90mph and you are of svelt build and are happy to make a few changes, you couldn't go far wrong with one. There are parts everywhere...

It really does depend what you want from a bike.

Best to get out and do some test riding. Taking in corners, hills, motorways and country lanes...why not consider hiring a bike for a weekend?
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PostPosted: 21:31 - 19 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I liked the TRX (had one before the SV, got the road SV as I was racing them at the time), however while it's suspension is better than the SV, it's not amazing stock. Ok for me riding on the roads, though.
It would hit an indicated 140mph on the motorway.

I'm not sure a bike with poorer suspension will stop you going faster, or just make it more scary when you do!
Saying that, I think having a really knackered rear tyre on my '9 helps me not taking corners too fast Smile.
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