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stinkwheel
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PostPosted: 19:30 - 25 Apr 2009    Post subject: Air tools kick arse! Reply with quote

I treated myself to a compressor today. I've wanted one for a while and Aldi were doing cheap air tools so I bit the bullet.

So, a 2.4hp Clark compressor with a filter lubricator from Machine Mart and an impact gun, drill, burr tool and blow gun.

Well, I wish I'd done this years ago.

Job 1: Remove clutch centre nut from VFR750. An 85ft/lb nut on a rotating shaft. Ordinarily requires two special tools to hold everything still and you still can't hold it still enough to undo the bolt. Took exactly 5 seconds with the impact wrench.

Job 2: Remove nut from bearing holder on single sided swingarm. The socket itself cost £20! (46mm impact socket). Off in 5 seconds with the windy gun.

Job 3: Rear brake disc nuts. Never been touched for 11 years, usually a total ball-ache. No worries, just like a formula 1 wheel change (not a ferarri one).

Job 4: Reface clutch basket. It was all notchy and starting to rattle. Pneumatic burr made mincemeat of the notches. Dremmel? Fuck off! This thing is torquey as hell and infinately variable in terms of speed, none of that grinding to a halt carry on then lifting the bit to let it speed up again. The whole thing cost less than a box of dremel bits.

Job 5: Remove swarf from clutch basket. Combination of blow gun and brake cleaner aerosol had this done in no time.

Also, it was raining slightly. If I'd been using electric tools, I'd have had to stop work. With the compressor inside and the air line running out through the window, water is not an issue.

There have to be downsides. Well, compressors aren't cheap. Air tools are noisy so you need to be considerate of your neighbours and compressed air is dangerous, but then so is mains electricity.

I am very pleased with my new toys.

Tomorrow. Swingarm off.
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PostPosted: 19:51 - 25 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll second that. I love my compressor and bits. I invested in a spraygun and a sandblaster. Halfords sell sandblasters and I use child playpit sand in mine. It is a lot less abrasive than the genuine sand, but you will get a smoother finish(takes a bit longer to achieve though) A tip if you cant get a proper sand blasting cabinet. I got hold of a number of very heavy duty clear plastic bags(big ones) I put the sandblaster and sand into the bag, and the bit I want to clean. Then I tape up the bag along the middle with just enough room for each arm at the ends. Get a tight elastic band and close the remaining holes around my arms. Then blast away. The air presure makes the big fill and go tight so it is easy to see into. The sand is contained and I just keep refilling the holder with what is in the bag,. But beware you dont blast your skin off.
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PostPosted: 20:42 - 25 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Windy guns are OK but don't get too carried away. Myself and a mate were changing the shocks on his MK2 Golf GTI, and there is a special tool needed to tighten the top mount nuts. We didn't have it so we used a windy gun.

Big mistake. The right one worked OK but the left one decided that the nut was going to become part of the top mount bushing instead of tightening. Like a piece of cloth wound round an electric drill.

Luckily we were able to back out OK without too much damage, but its a warning not to go over the top.

I've got the Aldi compressor but I didn't buy the air impact wrench because there are better ones available. The compressor though is great value and I find the blowgun and the tyre inflator to be the two most useful tools.

Actually that reminds me Stinkwheel, the combination of your previous exhaust decoking advice and the blow gun almost got me into trouble two weeks ago. I wanted to decoke the MZ exhaust, but my girlfriend had completely ransacked the entire house in an attempt to 'Tidy and make it nice'. The practical upshot of this was that I couldn't find anything including my caustic soda. So I decided to try the old "Pour petrol down the exhaust and light it" technique. I had the exhaust off, and on my workmate in the middle of the parking area near my house. I poured a little petrol into the exhaust, carefully placed the jerry can back in my garage and lit it. It burned like a candle... well more like an oil lamp I guess. I tipped it up and this made the flame go out. So I poured some more petrol into the exhaust and lit it. Again, an oil lamp type effect with very little shifting of coke from the exhaust. "Hmm" I thought. Being that I'm using compressed air for everything these days, perhaps I should try and blow the flames through with the air compressor. At this point yellow flames were licking out of the engine end of the conical MZ exhaust, so I resolved to put the blowgun in the exhaust outlet and pull the trigger. This initiated what can only be described as an afterburner effect. A sheet of blue flame about three metres long leapt horizontally from the engine side of the exhaust, accompanied by a roaring which is usually reserved for a military jet. That wasn't the exact effect I had hoped for, but it did make me chuckle. So much so I spent a good two or three minutes simulating gas turbines whilst laughing maniacally and thinking to myself "I'm allowed to do this, cos I'm an adult! Laughing

Still, it didn't decoke the exhaust, although the following weekend I located the caustic soda and it seemed to shift a helluva lot more of the black coke than usual! Very Happy

So, there isn't really any point to this story, apart from me telling everyone that I built a ramjet in my shared parking area...
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 25 Apr 2009    Post subject: Re: Air tools kick arse! Reply with quote

Welcome to 2003 Razz. I still haven't used my Aldi nail gun for anything 'constructive' yet. And I've got me sander-blaster thingy to try out too now.
Incidentally, the 3/4" socket set I got from ebay (about £45 delivered when I got it) has worked fine with impact wrenches - I already had the adapater. It goes from 19 (or maybe 17) to 50mm and is easily the same price as getting a decent breaker bar and 36mm, which was what I needed at the time.
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stinkwheel
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PostPosted: 01:02 - 26 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure I mentioned the low-pitched buzzing noise as the flame is sucked back inside followed by an explosive jet of flame from exhausts decoked by fire. Often followed by the whole lot firing itself across the yard at speed.

If not, I appologise.

It doesn't actually remove the coke, but it turns it into dusty, powdery coke. Easily wire brushed off the baffles and which gets fired out the back next time you start the engine.

The owners manual for my first Jawa actually stated that to decoke the exhaust, you should "Place 200cc of petrol in the exhaust supressor system in some secluded place and carefully apply a match.".
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PostPosted: 12:47 - 26 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I'm sure I mentioned the low-pitched buzzing noise as the flame is sucked back inside followed by an explosive jet of flame from exhausts decoked by fire. Often followed by the whole lot firing itself across the yard at speed.


Yes, when I withdrew the blow gun there was a bit of a backfire. The cool thing is I made it sound a bit like the noise you get on world war two newsreels of the V1 flying bomb! Laughing Luckily I did tighten it in the workmate, but I saw it straining a little against the thrust! Shocked
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 26 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im now taking the exhaust off my bike so i can try this.

if i die im sueing the both of you Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 16:14 - 26 Apr 2009    Post subject: Re: Air tools kick arse! Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I treated myself to a compressor today. I've wanted one for a while and Aldi were doing cheap air tools so I bit the bullet.


Wotcha.

I bought one a few weeks back - and enough air line to reach where ever I need it.

Why didn't I buy one years ago ?
Compressed air is good, very good.
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PostPosted: 16:52 - 26 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

They do make life so much easier and less stressful Laughing

It pays to buy a decent air compressor though.. I was feeling flush (stupid) and just bought a Boxer 55 from MachineMart, it's more expensive now than when I bought it Confused .. anyway it powers all of my Aldi tools continuously Thumbs Up

As said, why didn't I buy it 10 years ago! could have saved a lot of hassle and time.
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 26 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

cyberglass wrote:
Im now taking the exhaust off my bike so i can try this.

if i die im sueing the both of you Mr. Green


Do not try anything you may see on this forum at home. All stunts performed by trained professionals on closed roads. No kittens were harmed in the making of this thread.
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 26 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had a compessor or about a year now, still haven't bought any tools for it, and I still haven't put the garage up either, to busy out riding the bike tbh...
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PostPosted: 19:42 - 26 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got a 200PSI 1000 Litre compressor and tank at work. We'd be lost without it.

It powers the Nitrogen machine, Tyre machines, all our air tools, The car ramps and so on.

Compressed air is really handy.





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PostPosted: 19:47 - 26 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:
how much Question Very Happy


I do intend on using them...

At some stage... Thumbs Up

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stinkwheel
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 26 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:

Yes, when I withdrew the blow gun there was a bit of a backfire. The cool thing is I made it sound a bit like the noise you get on world war two newsreels of the V1 flying bomb! Laughing Luckily I did tighten it in the workmate, but I saw it straining a little against the thrust! Shocked


I am told you can get a similar effect by shoving bits of burning newspaper up cast iron drainpipes on the way home from the pub. Whistle It's just convection drawing air through them really, same principle as a flame organ.
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PostPosted: 20:40 - 28 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Incidentally, anybody got an air powered ratchet?

I bought one but frankly find it quite useless.... It makes LOADS of noise, uses tons of air, and rotates way too slowly (although it does have a lot of torque).

Its not much use because its just quicker to do it by hand, I wish I could make it spin faster.
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 28 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

loply wrote:
Incidentally, anybody got an air powered ratchet?

I bought one but frankly find it quite useless.... It makes LOADS of noise, uses tons of air, and rotates way too slowly (although it does have a lot of torque).

Its not much use because its just quicker to do it by hand, I wish I could make it spin faster.


Several. They are supposed to be slow.
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 28 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

loply wrote:
Incidentally, anybody got an air powered ratchet?

I bought one but frankly find it quite useless.... It makes LOADS of noise, uses tons of air, and rotates way too slowly (although it does have a lot of torque).

Its not much use because its just quicker to do it by hand, I wish I could make it spin faster.



Handy for doing things like Car Manifolds. And doing up exhaust clamps on Vaux Corsa / Ford Fiesta / Peugeot Rear boxes. Gaps that an Air gun cant get to.

They do make alot of noise. But so does an air gun.
I agree they spin quite slow. A Decent snap on / blue point / ingersoll rand air ratchet produces enough torque to strip the threads on the majority of nuts and bolts.



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PostPosted: 20:58 - 28 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brothers bluepoint snapon one, has a adjustable airflow handle like most airtools these days, on full goes like the tits, twice if not faster than hand id say.
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 28 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine spins at a moderate speed, but I tend to use my electric drill for that sort of thing. Couple of times when it's been useful due to it's dimensions.
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PostPosted: 21:00 - 28 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

loply wrote:
Incidentally, anybody got an air powered ratchet?

I bought one but frankly find it quite useless.... It makes LOADS of noise, uses tons of air, and rotates way too slowly (although it does have a lot of torque).

Its not much use because its just quicker to do it by hand, I wish I could make it spin faster.

The only thing I use mine for is RR Merlin valve covers.. 44 frigging nuts on each one....
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 28 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just got the Aldi-effort rachet, it is quite useful due to the torque, it's gotten a few screws out that were untouchable by hand. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:03 - 28 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best air tool I own is this.

https://www.denlorstools.com/shop/images/IR-2115TI.jpg


Ingersoll Rand 3/8 impact gun
Titanium body, so weightless
Gets wheel nuts off most cars And hub nuts off most cars too.


Bloody amazing bit of kit.
Set me back £250 mind you!





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PostPosted: 21:09 - 28 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the same IR Ti 3/8, tres handy Smile
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