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Fahim
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 01 May 2009    Post subject: Thank you Reply with quote

Got a first and Final warning. Thanks for the help guys!!!!!
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PostPosted: 22:45 - 01 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell them that, delete the statement off facebook and see what they say. They've probably already decided what they're going to do with you, the meeting is just a formality. Probably be a written warning by the sounds of it.
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PostPosted: 22:58 - 01 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deny it was you ... say someone logged onto your pc and must have done it ... they cant discipline you for something they cant prove.
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PostPosted: 07:18 - 02 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now a few schools of thought enter my mind here,

Is there anything in your contract/terms of employment that specifically forbid you to talk about such things?

Did anybody make a compaint?

Just because there is a profile of someone who looks like you, with your name on facebook, does not mean that it is you Wink
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PostPosted: 07:33 - 02 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh dear......

When will people learn.

In effect what you have done is taken a full page add out in a local rag.......

Expect to get really done over by your employer. You have "breached confidentiality".
What you see while working stays there and does not get posted where all can see it.

You are lucky your friend saw the funny side of it or you really would be up the road to the job center......

For your defence, get her to write a letter saying that she saw the funny side of it and as far as she is concerned that is the end of the matter. You then have to grovel and say you realise that what you did was wrong and stupid. And it won't happen again.... They may also be wondering about your ability to do your job, if you have friends who do this... From the point of view of if it was you who saw them steeling, what would you do.... Have a answer ready for that....

Next time don't put where it happened Wink
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PostPosted: 07:37 - 02 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

superstacker wrote:
Is there anything in your contract/terms of employment that specifically forbid you to talk about such things?


My guess on this one is that there will be an all encompassing 'putting the company at risk and disclosure' paragraph that they will use to cover this incident.

I would suspect that as this happened over a week ago the 'it wasn't me' claim maybe a bit late and not hold water now.

Personally, at this stage I think the best you can hope for is a formal warning which you will have to just suck up, as you've already said you were naive and made a mistake. Just a thought from the Employer's perspective too - I don't suppose they'd be too impressed that your mates are stealing from them, it puts you in the spot light and will make you vulnerable, so my suggestion would be to play that down. She's your friend and I'd hope that she too was making a silly mistake rather than a serial shoplifter, but who knows?

It's a 'bugger' but we all make mistakes and most of us get away with just learning our lesson privately. Given that everyone at your workplace will know you may be unlucky and be on the end of a tough line as they may not wish to set a precedent. If that's the case you'll have to follow it up as best you can - what's done is done, just make the best of the next bit!
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PostPosted: 07:50 - 02 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a nice friend eh? One which comes to YOUR workplace whilst YOU are there and then attempts to steal goods from it... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 08:00 - 02 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

People will never learn on Facebook Laughing I was sacked because of a stupid stunt.
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PostPosted: 08:29 - 02 May 2009    Post subject: Re: Debenhams - Breach of Confidentiality. Reply with quote

I'd say I didn't see it at work - I only knew because she told me, and my FB was based on what she told me, nothing to do with work. Hence, no breach of confidentiality from a company perspective.
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PostPosted: 09:23 - 02 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

He posted the company name......


That was the big No, No.
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PostPosted: 09:28 - 02 May 2009    Post subject: Re: Debenhams - Breach of Confidentiality. Reply with quote

Fahim wrote:
Hi BCF Gods,

blah blah blah yada yada yada

Karma will be given to replies! Thanks in advance. Thumbs Up


Since you protected your friends identity it might be wise to edit you first post and protect your employers.
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PostPosted: 09:51 - 02 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wasn't that daft at 18 was i ? Oh yeah i was..got sacked for sending a rude poem to my then girlfriend, her Dad opened it and sent it back (i'd used the companys franking machine Rolling Eyes )
Got asked to leave Embarassed

As mentioned..ask 'Tea-leaf Tanya' to write that letter(brief) and prepare for a warning of sorts. Oh and delete your posts here, you're still digging a hole for yourself.

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PostPosted: 10:23 - 02 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Putting that on Facebook was pretty stupid, but having your profile publicly accessible so that your manager can see it is even worse!

If you'd bothered to look at the privacy settings, it takes literally 2 minutes to change everything to private, so only your friends can see your information. If you'd done that you wouldn't be in this mess.

Unless of course you have your boss in your friends list, which would be catastrophically stupid.
First rule of 'working for the man', keep your work and private life separate. Take it as lesson learned.
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PostPosted: 10:29 - 02 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't make it worse by getting Tanya to write anything.
Having been the guy who has had to do the investigations and make the decisions on these sorts of things I would stop the escalation right now.

You shouldn't have put anything about the matter on your facebook. What you see and hear in work stays in work. If you do want to talk about what you have seen then names, products, location should be omitted.

Your employer has a few options depending on the terms of your employment, what has happened in this sort of situation before, your age/naivety and how they feel about you ( is it a good reason to get rid of a problem person)

If I was you I would hold my hands up saying that you knew the person and thought they were wrong in what they did. To show how you felt about it you wanted to use peer pressure to prevent it happening again. That you feel ashamed that someone you know would do such a thing as take something from the store without paying and you wanted to distance yourself from it. In hind sight although you had good intensions you went about it in the wrong way. You have learnt from your mistake and will not do such things again.

You may get anything from a slap on the wrist to being given your marching orders, but for Gods sake keep things like that off bloody facebook.
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PostPosted: 10:39 - 02 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, you really got to be careful with what you put online - it's quite easy to forget that even though you are just meaning to share something between your friends you're effectively posting stuff to a global audience.

I had a similar situation with my Uni last year - I made a wee vid of an event that we had (was basically an inter-uni dental school sports day with a lot of drinking) which took the style of a news report and featured interviews I had done with some of my mates when they were pretty pissed and also I threw in a wee bit of (incredibly tongue in cheek) slander towards some of the staff too...put this up on YouTube, primarily so I didn't have to keep showing my friends it on my comp but news spread quite quickly through facebook and Bebo and the next thing I know I was having to justify my actions to the Dean and the senior staff!

Apparently it was unprofessional to show our university students behaving like that (as if anyone thinks just because you are in uni you will behave like a saint!) and that some staff could have been offended at my taking the piss (as it turns out, it was the ones who weren't mentioned in the vid who complained more!). Their main concern was that it was hosted on YouTube, which has a global audience, and therefore anyone typing in 'Dundee Dental School' (cause there are tonnes of people who do that!) would have seen it and possibly may have been offended/shocked...I thought for a while about not taking it down, but more as a sort of citizen smith style 'you shall not silence me!' thing, then I realised I was being petty too so just removed it.

The point is, do not underestimate your audience for such comments on the internet - as you have found out!

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PostPosted: 22:03 - 02 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 23:23 - 02 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suitor_Stu wrote:


I had a similar situation with my Uni last year


Similar thing happened at nautical college last year. We went through a phase of screwing about with power kites on the field behind the college. One day we decided it would be a great idea to harness a lad to the kite, then attach the harness to a car by a 100 foot length of rope and drive down the field.

Of course, someone was filming it and it was going great until the driver got to the end of the field and realised he didn't have a contingency plan for this. So he stopped. As there was no wind, the kite deflated and the lad in the harness dropped like a stone about 50 foot to the ground and was knocked out.

Ambulance driver was chuffed because it was the first time he had ever been able to tick the "fall from height" box on the accident form.

Eventually found it's way onto youtube with the college's name in the description and there was the whole kerfuffle about bringing the college and the lad's sponsoring company into disrepute.

Moral of the story as people have said is be very careful what you post on the internet.
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PostPosted: 04:04 - 03 May 2009    Post subject: Re: Debenhams - Breach of Confidentiality. Reply with quote

timbstoke wrote:
I'd say I didn't see it at work - I only knew because she told me, and my FB was based on what she told me, nothing to do with work. Hence, no breach of confidentiality from a company perspective.


I agree with this one 100% . So long as Tanya Smile is happy to go with it.
Tell them she told you and therefor this has nothing to do with any breaches of confidentiality and your work place.
It was simply a comment made on facebook in regards to something she has told you. Nothing more.

Are you able to seek some legal advice ?

You might even be in a position based on that angle to tell them whilst you can appreciate their requirements to cover their own asses and you will do what is required to assist where possible and reasonable, once the investigation is completed you would like to hear no more of it and to ensure there is no impact to your employment with them moving forward.

All said you were informed by tanya and made a statement based on fact. What can they do really ?

I guess it all depends on what you have said to them already.
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PostPosted: 21:42 - 04 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

How is it breach of confidentiality?

You have no responsibility of confidentiality to a random person that you saw being nicked for shop lifting in a public shop.

Putting it on FB was a dumbass thing to do though, although she may have laughed it off, I'm sure she oesn't appreciate it!
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 04 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Noxious89123 wrote:
You have no responsibility of confidentiality to a random person that you saw being nicked for shop lifting in a public shop.

It probably changes when he's working there. If I nicked something from a shop, I wouldn't appreciate the shop workers making it public.

And I certainly wouldn't appreciate a mate to make a reference to that in his FB profile, so all my mates would know.
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PostPosted: 22:06 - 04 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

company's think that they can push you about too much these days ffs, you cant do this you cant do that , you cant get another job within 3 miles of here etc etc.

FFS All you posted was the TRUTH no lies in anyway shape or form, the person that it was about (your mate or acquaintance etc ) has No issues with it, so what the fook can they do. As for slander then thats spoken and you wrote it so technically it would be liabel. Even then its usually required that it NOT be the truth for it to be libel, which it is.

@ Paivi If you didn't want people to find out you were a thief simple answer is to NOT be one. I would have no sympathy for the thief not wanting people to know.
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PostPosted: 22:31 - 04 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Basically, what you've done is defamation of character of a fellow employee which is also known as slander (innocent until proven guilty!), and you must have signed a confidentiality form saying that you will NOT talk about company policies outside your work, nor divulge information of a sensitive nature which may be in breach of the data protection act!

Basically, it sounds like you've already admitted it was you when you were confronted by management. So, just admit that you were wrong as you were young & nieve in doing what you did, so take the punishment like a man!


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PostPosted: 22:34 - 04 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Noxious89123 wrote:
How is it breach of confidentiality?

You have no responsibility of confidentiality to a random person that you saw being nicked for shop lifting in a public shop.

Putting it on FB was a dumbass thing to do though, although she may have laughed it off, I'm sure she oesn't appreciate it!


He should have kept his mouth shut just in case somebody on Facebook doesn't like him by way of reporting him to his employer about it, and so just let her admit it through using her own Facebook ID or talk about in private with your immediate friends instead.

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PostPosted: 22:49 - 04 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot of companies do not like others knowing information about them, such as, where is the easiest dept to steel from, what items are being tracked, what security/loss prevention measures they have, what stock loss figures they suffer. how hard are they being hit by organised criminals or is it the opportunist. do other shoppers want to shop in a store that has high crime figures. All these and much more are considered important to companies.

If you knew that Texaco petrol stations had the highest level of theft and fraud by its employees ( It hasn't by the way) would you get your fuel from there and risk getting scammed? Me neither.

This is just information about the store never mind about the individual who may have been let off with a warning, may have been stopped in error even ( it does happen) or could have had the book thrown at them.

This is the bit about confidentiality and bringing the company into disrepute that companies are so hot on.
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PostPosted: 00:45 - 05 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think the shop should have a duty to protecting the privacy of thieves. If thats what the laws says, the law's an ass.

Girl gets a slap on the wrist for stealing (illegal), shopworker threatened with the sack, for mentioning the offence.

If shop does sack you, maybe a nice letter to the daily mail or something might be good. Probably not a big enough story, but I think they'd dig the vibe.

It's only slander or libel, if its untrue. If you call someone a thief and they did steal something, how can you be in the wrong ?
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