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PostPosted: 17:22 - 09 May 2009    Post subject: RD 350 YPVS - worth getting one? Reply with quote

Firstly whats the difference between the faired and the unfaired apart from the actual fairing.

A friend has told me he can get me either for a good price once back cept the faired one is missing the lower.

The fact its a kickstart 2stroke which will do over a ton would be a nice bike to have until I can afford a decent bike then to restore it.

Now the question is seeing as a few members on here have them in pieces, is it worth getting one really?
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PostPosted: 17:44 - 09 May 2009    Post subject: Re: RD 350 YPVS - worth getting one? Reply with quote

McGee wrote:
Firstly whats the difference between the faired and the unfaired apart from the actual fairing.

A friend has told me he can get me either for a good price once back cept the faired one is missing the lower.

The fact its a kickstart 2stroke which will do over a ton would be a nice bike to have until I can afford a decent bike then to restore it.

Now the question is seeing as a few members on here have them in pieces, is it worth getting one really?


Well the way I see it, if you get a cheap one it won't really be rideable without a lot of work. All of the working ones will be relatively expensive. They don't handle all that well and aren't particularly quick. They are tough and easy to work on however, and make a very good project. Parts are cheap and plentiful.

If you find a genuine unfaired one then its worth lots of money, but there are lots and lots and lots and lots of converted ones around. It seems that faired bikes were slightly unfashionable in the eighties. Either that, or they were all crashed. both the ones I've owned were converted F2s, Robby has one now. I looked at a few before I bought mine and none of them were rideable. I reckon you'd need to spend £1500 on one for it to be working, and I wouldn't trust it until I'd rebuilt it to be honest.

Bear in mind that the newest japanese made ones were built in 1987, and the later nineties models were made in Brazil and aren't as powerful or as well built.

There are a lot of pitlfalls to powervalve ownership, and its not something to be taken lightly.
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PostPosted: 17:55 - 09 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Won't you be bored by the thing?
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PostPosted: 18:08 - 09 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay, what would you suggest instead then? I've been looking into RD350 YVPS's on eBay, got my A2 in three weeks so want a bigger bike etc., and just thought they were well regarded and cheap?
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PostPosted: 18:13 - 09 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that MarJay. Mr. Green I'll take all of that into consideration. If I can get either or both for next to nothing I reckon it will be mainly a project.

craigs23 wrote:
Won't you be bored by the thing?


Maybe, been with out a bike for a long time now and I just miss riding, its not all about the power homeslice I just loved the k5 for what it was the power was just an added benefit.

I'm coming home next to broke and I'll settle for anything even a cruiser (stick on some drag bars and that would do me for a month or two).

I have wanted a decent 2stroke for a while I was looking at rgv250's and may still get one.

Just owning an rd350 is something I would like to do.

Plus I can't afford insurance on a Gixxer thou in the UK yet. My quotes are in the 5k area, yet I can insure a busa for 900 fully comped. And cars even cheaper still, I can get gt-r skylines insured for less than the busa fully comped.
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 09 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonesy boy wrote:
MarJay, what would you suggest instead then? I've been looking into RD350 YVPS's on eBay, got my A2 in three weeks so want a bigger bike etc., and just thought they were well regarded and cheap?


They are well regarded and cheap if you are handy with the spanners and don't mind faffing about before riding it.

I'd reccomend a cheap SV650 as a first bike. I definately WOULD NOT restrict an RD to 33bhp as this would not do it any good. They need to be thrashed really else you'll have real problems with coking up etc. Same as any two stroke really.

Honestly, if you want a bike to learn on, and for it to start first time every time and just ride without thinking about maintenance, then a bike from 1986 is not the answer. Especially not a two stroke from 1986. Don't get me wrong, I love my RD but I've had it for about eight months and managed to ride it on the road twice. Its still not quite roadworthy despite a top end rebuild and a new front end, rear end, brake calipers, tank, bodywork etc etc.

If you want a cheap bike as a test passer, then you want something like a Honda CB-1 or similar. It will have the same kind of performance without the hassle. Or, as I said I'd keep an eye out for a cheap SV650.
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PostPosted: 18:21 - 09 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

easiest engines ever to work on. even if the crank goes you can get a brand new one for £285, and thats the most expensive part of the bike.

all it needs to do is go and stop, so as long as the brakes and suspension are fine youl be sorted. if not, theyre cheap too.

you can get decent ones cheap, ignore anyone who says otherwise. if it breaks its cheap to fix.
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PostPosted: 18:40 - 09 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

craigs23 wrote:
Won't you be bored by the thing?


How on God's earth can you get bored with a 350 two stroke with iffy handling?
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PostPosted: 19:08 - 09 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

A mate who had a TDM250 (basically a 250ypvs in boingy suspension) and commented that "It's the first motorcycle I've ever had that rides me. The thing is mental.".

Said mate has been riding motorcycles for 16 years, is an IAM member, ex straightliners champion and owner of an SV650 motard, a T140 Bonneville, a 1050 Tiger and a 400bhp, supercharged 'busa. He sold the TDM because he was afraid he was going to loose his licence on it.
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PostPosted: 19:11 - 09 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
A mate who had a TDM250 (basically a 250ypvs in boingy suspension) and commented that "It's the first motorcycle I've ever had that rides me. The thing is mental.".

Said mate has been riding motorcycles for 16 years, is an IAM member, ex straightliners champion and owner of an SV650 motard, a T140 Bonneville, a 1050 Tiger and a 400bhp, supercharged 'busa. He sold the TDM because he was afraid he was going to loose his licence on it.


Do you mean a TDR250? Thats a TZR250 engine in an early supermoto style chassis. Totally mental!
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PostPosted: 19:16 - 09 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattsprattuk wrote:
you can get decent ones cheap, ignore anyone who says otherwise. if it breaks its cheap to fix.


Mint ones go on ebay for £1.5k- 2kish. Anything that isn't mint WILL need some kind of work. It won't be a 'get on and ride' type thing, especially not if it doesn't have an MOT.
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 09 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
mattsprattuk wrote:
you can get decent ones cheap, ignore anyone who says otherwise. if it breaks its cheap to fix.


Mint ones go on ebay for £1.5k- 2kish. Anything that isn't mint WILL need some kind of work. It won't be a 'get on and ride' type thing, especially not if it doesn't have an MOT.


you and i have very different ideas of ''get on and ride''.

theres ''properly safe and well built'' and theres ''MOT standard''.
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 09 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:

Do you mean a TDR250? Thats a TZR250 engine in an early supermoto style chassis. Totally mental!


Aye. One of them. Yellow and black so you can see it coming.
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 09 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Do you mean a TDR250? Thats a TZR250 engine in an early supermoto style chassis. Totally mental !


they are really great fun,real hoot.......i have 2 Very Happy .....and their not boingy,they handle very well........truly the original supermoto
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PostPosted: 00:44 - 10 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

well you can pick upa road worthy oen for £700+ ready to ride etc bit scruffy.


price wise a f2 will be 600+ (latter engine aka 1ua )
then a 31k / lc11/ n1 earlier bikes better eletrics/ cdi etc . you'll pay £600 for a MUTT that needs ££ spending on it

depends on what you want .


lc2 (first of the ypvs) a/b reg horrible front end , no for brace , 'chrome' effect rear swinnger thats flexi as F*K 31k engine lookign at a good 59 bhp motor with reliability just crap handling . look to spend £600 for a mutt non running etc with matching numbers the eletrics + motor is worth £400 alone and the speedo setupw ill fetch £100+) will have a bikin fairing and bellypan woudl advise a micron fork brace and steerign damper if u want to ride it fast

f1 faired bike RED frame (as standard) better front forks with a fork brace. same 31k engine. box section rear swinger (sturdier) basicly teh same bike as a lc2 just full fairing bike look to pay £500 for a non runner £800+ for a runner but untidy / unoriginal paint £1.2k ish + for a all original bike steerign damper is advisory

N1 quite rare bike if you fina original british bike (most are german red/black or french blue/white) bikes same as the f1 just unfaired witha BLACK frame. will ahve all the brackets for the fairing on the frame still, same as f1 with forks etc (these are my personal faivorate) need a steering damper for 105mph + will fetch £600+ for a dead one , 900 for a runner , 1.2k for on the road 1.5k+ for a mint one even as much as 2k as there where only 500 or so british models ever made


then you have the

F2 fully faired bike frame / engine number 1ua CLAIMED 1 or 2 bhp more , known to have eletrical problems. IDENTICAL basic motor. just different eletrics fitted with 'powerflow' carbs ( i think thats the name for them ) much more common bike square arse end more like a tzr good cheapish bikes pick up, much boxier looking bike. considerably cheaper to buy than a 31k , probaly pick up a minter for £8-900 pick up a unoriginal tatty one for 600 one that needs work £400 ish

n2 once again less common bike nakid bike. same 1ua engine good bikes basicaly a f2 just without the fairing


Rd350R brazilian bike slowest of the ypvs, reduiced compression ratio, all in alla crappy ypvs with horrible twin headlamps and stupid side scoops. pick one up for £5-600 never seen one make more than £800


thats my 2p



also no need for microns etc ont he ypvs uless your after noise and hassle , just as easy to keep them standard an well serviced , a standard well serviced ypvs thats decoked etc will be just as fast as one with microns and alot quieter, microns seem to just make noise , for preformance go lomas or the older allspeeds , (look to pay £200 +fro a nice second hand exhausts)
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PostPosted: 08:05 - 10 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

ns125rk90 wrote:
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Lots of information there, but I think your pricing is incredibly optomistic. Most of the YPVSs out there are F2s and they are mostly dogs. The ones that aren't go on ebay or autotrader for a lot more than a grand. 31k s etc fetch even more (despite the poor handling) because of the tuneable motor.

A guy on the LC forum just paid £1000 for the rattiest sheddiest LC you've ever seen just because it has matching numbers! I wouldn't be surprised if YPVS prices aren't increasing overall due to their 'cult' status.
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PostPosted: 18:37 - 10 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
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Depends what you mean by that - mine for £600 wasn't perfect, but was perfectly usable.

For me I found my F2 didn't have the '2 strokey' goodness you get from more modern more focused 2 strokes. Fine for a commuter/general get-around bike, given that the stock suspension also isn't up to modern bikes.
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PostPosted: 20:07 - 10 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
MarJay wrote:
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Depends what you mean by that - mine for £600 wasn't perfect, but was perfectly usable.

For me I found my F2 didn't have the '2 strokey' goodness you get from more modern more focused 2 strokes. Fine for a commuter/general get-around bike, given that the stock suspension also isn't up to modern bikes.



obviously isnt in good runnign order as a yps running nicely will give most modern bikes a run for their money in a straight line .. my n1 that was standard would make the front end go very light in every gear and it got scary @ 120 .... before it got a damperfitted
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PostPosted: 20:09 - 10 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
ns125rk90 wrote:
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Lots of information there, but I think your pricing is incredibly optomistic. Most of the YPVSs out there are F2s and they are mostly dogs. The ones that aren't go on ebay or autotrader for a lot more than a grand. 31k s etc fetch even more (despite the poor handling) because of the tuneable motor.

A guy on the LC forum just paid £1000 for the rattiest sheddiest LC you've ever seen just because it has matching numbers! I wouldn't be surprised if YPVS prices aren't increasing overall due to their 'cult' status.


and yes hence why there is 2 lc2's and a n1 sat in the shed waiting for the right time Wink
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 10 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where does 'run for their money' come into it? I'm not talking about out-right power, but the delivery of it Smile.
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 10 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Where does 'run for their money' come into it? I'm not talking about out-right power, but the delivery of it Smile.



umm i like the delivery fairamount of low down grutn hit 6k and just goes like a bat out of hell all the way to the revlimiter and same again in every gear .


saying that you had a f2 with the lower lev rimiter and tamer cdi Razz

but there still nto as nuts as a old 4lo
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I'm not sure how you are with spanners McGee, you'll need to be confident. It's a 20 year old yamaha 2-stroke. They are quite nice to work on though, I like it because you only need a manual for the torque settings on the head bolts.

Pricing wise, I paid £200 for mine off Marje. £200 more for the rebore and rebuild parts, £50 on suspension bushes and stuff in that area, £50 and lot of time on fixing and (rattle can hammerite) spraying the tank (they all leak), £120 for tyres, another £50 for other bits and bobs.

That's the first time I've add that up. Still the happy side of £700, but also still not on the road, and I have probably sunk about 100 hours into it so far.

Not something you buy cheap to ride. Something you buy cheap because you like to be in the garage.
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 10 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The F2, as I'd read, isn't as good as the previous models.
Mine had the delivery kinda like you describe (though coming from a 143hp zx9, I suspect my impression of 'bat out of hell' might have been slightly more muted compared to yours Smile). It defintely didn't have that 'zing' that the newer 250s have which really beg to be kept between 9-12k - infact, dropping below 10k you feel a little guilty!

Robby - same applies to most cheap bikes that are bought to be done up. Spend a bit more in the first place and there should be perfectly good 'working' examples to be had.
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PostPosted: 22:49 - 10 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

robby wrote:

Not something you buy cheap to ride. Something you buy cheap because you like to be in the garage.


So not the best bike to nab to use once back.

I love working on bikes and cars have done for many years Mr. Green

I'm still considering one for a project.
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PostPosted: 10:40 - 11 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

marjay

i sold a f2 in malabro colours with a fully rebuilt engine for £800 if they aint genuien they aint worth much



as for lc2's and 31k's

this is what to expect for £400 ish Wink ( i paid £400 for it with a spare engine that i got £300 for Wink lol )
https://i41.tinypic.com/301ol87.jpg


Engine runs spot on , matching numbers (most valuable part)

needs :
bodywork (got the tank , a tidy tank will set you back £100+) and it also needs some original exhausts rather than them horris f2 ones that are fitted
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